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If you go to the end there is a link to the TO for one of the aircraft - maybe enough to scratchbuild a model tho probably not
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If you go to the end there is a link to the TO for one of the aircraft - maybe enough to scratchbuild a model tho probably not
Thank you! A very good article!
I'm not 100% sure but I think I've seen a scale model of TDR-1. Maybe scratched?
Anyway here I have 3 drawings (original) for the drone:
1. Plan
2. Side view
3. Front view
And a good reading about drones in their early years (see attached).
P.S. Yep, here is the model I mentioned above - I did save the link to it in my aviation-archive.
Cheers!
smutny
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I just did a presentation to a TeenFlight group about UAS history and took them through their TRUST certificate. I found my research on UAS history fascinating. It's been a long road to where we are today.
GrauGeist
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The TDR's rival, the TDN-1, was manufactured by Brunswick, the company that manufactured billiard tables and bowling balls.
Here's a good page that covers both, and more:
The Surprising History of Unmanned Navy Systems
Here's a good page that covers both, and more:
The Surprising History of Unmanned Navy Systems
Geoffrey Sinclair
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The references I have indicate the TDR was the production version of the TDN. They are considered targets by the production reports.
XTDN-1, Naval Aircraft Factory contract P.O. 518-42 dated 21 January 1942, Bu. No. 27853-27856, 4 accepted December 1942 to February 1943.
TDN-1 Naval Aircraft Factory order, contract P.O. 707-42 dated 18 April 1942 Bu. No. 17292-17361, 100 ordered, 30 transferred to Brunswick-Balke-Collender, 70 built by NAF December 1942 to June 1943
TDN-1 Brunswick-Balke-Collender order, Sub contract from Naval Aircraft Factory, Bu. No. 17362-17391, 30 built July 1943 to January 1944
XTDR-1, Interstate, Contract NXs-10511, dated 16 October 1942 Bu. No. 27857-27858, both accepted March 1943
TDR-1 Interstate orders. 1) Dated 1 September 1943, Bu. No. 27859-27958, Contract NOa(s)-1667, 100 ordered and built. 2) dated 15 June 1943, originally for TDR-2, Contract NOa(s)-994, 400 ordered, altered to 72 TDR-1 on 24 Mar 1944, Bu. No. 64497-64568,
TDR-1 American Aviation order, Bu. No. 33515-33531 Contract NOa(s)-191/NXs-11750 dated 13 January 1943 (100 ordered, 80 cancelled on 24 March 1944, 3 transferred to Interstate)
Result, 2 XTDR-1 and 172 TDR-2 built by Interstate, 17 TDR-1 by American Aviation
XTD2R-1 Interstate, Contract NOa(s)-1667, for 2, Bu. No. 33921 and 33922, but 33921 accepted as XTD3R-1. Bu. No. 33922 crashed and was stricken, so never accepted.
XTD3R-1, Interstate, Contract NOa(s)-1667/NXs-10511, Bu. No. 33921 (ordered as XTD2R-1), 33923, 33924, accepted November 1943 to April 1944.
TD3R-1 Interstate order. Bu. No. 33871-33880, contract NOa(s)-994/NXs-10511, dated 30 August 1943, 500 ordered, reduced to 96 on 24 March 1944, reduced to 10 on 16 September 1944, 10 accepted August to December 1944.
TDN and TDR had Lycoming O-435-2, TD3R had Wright R-975-30
Over in the glider bomb category, 10 Fletcher XBG-1 May/June 1942 for the USAAF, 25 Taylorcraft LBT-1 July to November 1944 and 34 McDonnell LBD-1 March to December 1945 for the USN. The USN is also reported to have accepted 3LBE from Pratt-Read, who also built LNE-1/TG-32 for the USN and GG-4A/LRW-1 for the USAAF.
Meantime the USAAF was building around 2,967 PQ target drones along similar lines, 1,767 for itself and 1,200 for the USN, USAAF production ended in September 1945, USN in June 1946. Separately the USN ordered 201 PQ-8 as TDC-2, accepted June to December 1943.
The USAAF also ordered 1 XBQ-1 and 1 XBQ-2A from Fleetwings, no provision for a pilot, prototype missiles, accepted in August and February 1944 respectively.
In Britain, from Bruce, J. M.: 1957, British Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918. London, UK: Putnam. Second Impression 1969, pp 459-469 mentions a 'R.F.C. Experimental Works Radio-controlled Aircraft'. This apparently started with a direction to Professor A.M. Low <Archibald Low - Wikipedia> to investigate the possibility of using a form of television to direct a radio-controlled bomb. Apparently tests were successful, but not a lot of details is available. They were not tried operationally. On p 460 it says `It was the true ancestor of various devices which were used in the Second World War, preceding by quarter of a century weapons which were claimed by their inventors to be the first of their type'.
As people are no doubt aware of the difficulties in making such weapons work in WWII it is clear the WWI experiments needed a lot more work before anything would have become operational. The British were ahead of German use of radio in WWI, in terms of fitting them to aircraft and introducing voice as well as morse sets, so trying radio control is an obvious next step. Experiments continued through the 1920's and Queen Bee production was around in 1934, another 402 built in 7 batches between June 1935 and September 1944, while 69 Queen Martinet were built April 1945 to August 1946, plus 4 Queen Wasp April 1940 to September 1942.
XTDN-1, Naval Aircraft Factory contract P.O. 518-42 dated 21 January 1942, Bu. No. 27853-27856, 4 accepted December 1942 to February 1943.
TDN-1 Naval Aircraft Factory order, contract P.O. 707-42 dated 18 April 1942 Bu. No. 17292-17361, 100 ordered, 30 transferred to Brunswick-Balke-Collender, 70 built by NAF December 1942 to June 1943
TDN-1 Brunswick-Balke-Collender order, Sub contract from Naval Aircraft Factory, Bu. No. 17362-17391, 30 built July 1943 to January 1944
XTDR-1, Interstate, Contract NXs-10511, dated 16 October 1942 Bu. No. 27857-27858, both accepted March 1943
TDR-1 Interstate orders. 1) Dated 1 September 1943, Bu. No. 27859-27958, Contract NOa(s)-1667, 100 ordered and built. 2) dated 15 June 1943, originally for TDR-2, Contract NOa(s)-994, 400 ordered, altered to 72 TDR-1 on 24 Mar 1944, Bu. No. 64497-64568,
TDR-1 American Aviation order, Bu. No. 33515-33531 Contract NOa(s)-191/NXs-11750 dated 13 January 1943 (100 ordered, 80 cancelled on 24 March 1944, 3 transferred to Interstate)
Result, 2 XTDR-1 and 172 TDR-2 built by Interstate, 17 TDR-1 by American Aviation
XTD2R-1 Interstate, Contract NOa(s)-1667, for 2, Bu. No. 33921 and 33922, but 33921 accepted as XTD3R-1. Bu. No. 33922 crashed and was stricken, so never accepted.
XTD3R-1, Interstate, Contract NOa(s)-1667/NXs-10511, Bu. No. 33921 (ordered as XTD2R-1), 33923, 33924, accepted November 1943 to April 1944.
TD3R-1 Interstate order. Bu. No. 33871-33880, contract NOa(s)-994/NXs-10511, dated 30 August 1943, 500 ordered, reduced to 96 on 24 March 1944, reduced to 10 on 16 September 1944, 10 accepted August to December 1944.
TDN and TDR had Lycoming O-435-2, TD3R had Wright R-975-30
Over in the glider bomb category, 10 Fletcher XBG-1 May/June 1942 for the USAAF, 25 Taylorcraft LBT-1 July to November 1944 and 34 McDonnell LBD-1 March to December 1945 for the USN. The USN is also reported to have accepted 3LBE from Pratt-Read, who also built LNE-1/TG-32 for the USN and GG-4A/LRW-1 for the USAAF.
Meantime the USAAF was building around 2,967 PQ target drones along similar lines, 1,767 for itself and 1,200 for the USN, USAAF production ended in September 1945, USN in June 1946. Separately the USN ordered 201 PQ-8 as TDC-2, accepted June to December 1943.
The USAAF also ordered 1 XBQ-1 and 1 XBQ-2A from Fleetwings, no provision for a pilot, prototype missiles, accepted in August and February 1944 respectively.
In Britain, from Bruce, J. M.: 1957, British Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918. London, UK: Putnam. Second Impression 1969, pp 459-469 mentions a 'R.F.C. Experimental Works Radio-controlled Aircraft'. This apparently started with a direction to Professor A.M. Low <Archibald Low - Wikipedia> to investigate the possibility of using a form of television to direct a radio-controlled bomb. Apparently tests were successful, but not a lot of details is available. They were not tried operationally. On p 460 it says `It was the true ancestor of various devices which were used in the Second World War, preceding by quarter of a century weapons which were claimed by their inventors to be the first of their type'.
As people are no doubt aware of the difficulties in making such weapons work in WWII it is clear the WWI experiments needed a lot more work before anything would have become operational. The British were ahead of German use of radio in WWI, in terms of fitting them to aircraft and introducing voice as well as morse sets, so trying radio control is an obvious next step. Experiments continued through the 1920's and Queen Bee production was around in 1934, another 402 built in 7 batches between June 1935 and September 1944, while 69 Queen Martinet were built April 1945 to August 1946, plus 4 Queen Wasp April 1940 to September 1942.
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Yeah, that bit was rather unusual, as the LBD was a rocket powered guided missile similar to Germany's Fritz-X.
Perhaps the author had the Gargoyle's engine in mind when writing that part?
The solid fuel engine was manufactured by Aerojet.
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