Attic find , can anyone ID this instrument panel ?
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MiTasol
Captain
any part numbers on the unit or brackets? or inspection stamps? Former are normally about 3/16 to 1/4 inch (4-6mm) and latter about the same or a little bigger. Any stamp containing the letters H and T in any format is a heat treat stamp and generic.
From the shape it is likely a PT or BT panel. If so one of the plates may include the aircraft serial so carefully clean all of them.
From the shape it is likely a PT or BT panel. If so one of the plates may include the aircraft serial so carefully clean all of them.
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smutny
Airman
Can you - carefully- clean up the words on the placards? Use something benign like alcohol or mineral spirits.
cammerjeff
Staff Sergeant
At first glance it looks like a BT-17 or a Stearman's IP but it does not quite fit the images on line of that type. And as smuutny had suggested cleaning up the placards and taking good photo's of them would help in narrowing the type down.
smutny
Airman
I don't think it's American. The mag switch and (what I believe) is the primer don't look US standard.
cvairwerks
Staff Sergeant
Probably going to find that it's German. The long vertical slot on the left side is typical of where the mag switch would go and the guarded button above and to the left of the slot is typical German. Also, don't remember anything US that uses blue colored wire.
smutny
Airman
The mag switch has the lever. The slot is too long and narrow for a German mag switch, I was thinking gear or flap, but would need to see what the two placards are at the to and bottom of the slot.
Mag switch might be a fuel tank selector switch. The slot appears to be a gear position selector lever cutout. The switch with the red guard is grounded to the panel on the reverse side like a kill switch would be grounded. Never seen the colors of the sleeving on the wiring. Any connectors bear markings? Not sure there are placards on the panel or just the clean panel beneath where they used to be. Not seeing any edge shadows clearly giving them presence. What vintage machine had a forward fuselage profile that demanded a triangular panel?
MiTasol
Captain
The electrical switch looks totally American but I have no idea what the German switches look like so that may mean nothing at all. One possibility is Canadian which could mean the long slot is for the inclinometer or a landing gear or flap selector.
To narrow down the search if you have a vernier check the dimensions on the nuts and see if they are almost exact imferial or almost exact metric. If neither then probably BA and BDF.
To narrow down the search if you have a vernier check the dimensions on the nuts and see if they are almost exact imferial or almost exact metric. If neither then probably BA and BDF.
MiTasol
Captain
Many BT and PT aircraft had triangular panels, including some Harvard variants though the BTs usually had less instruments.
I do agree fully on the wiring sleeving though that you and C cvairwerks mention so that may be a good clue.
The wiring coming out of the mag or fuel switch is worrying though. Not what one would expect of US or German aircraft so that raises the question of was it rewired post war?
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smutny
Airman
Fuel selectors are mechanical, not electrical.
smutny
Airman
Disagree. Don't recall ever seeing a US mag switch with ears for mounting.
MiTasol
Captain
I was referring to the electrical switch next to the mag or fuel switch. Apart from the top terminal being broken and the catseye missing from the end of the lever it looks like the standard AN 3022-2 STSP switches.
papageno
have a look at the side of the switch for a part number - that will identify the country of origin as a start from the part number there. Some switches also have the makers mark - Cutler-Hammer, Micro and Square D are common US switches.
papageno
have a look at the side of the switch for a part number - that will identify the country of origin as a start from the part number there. Some switches also have the makers mark - Cutler-Hammer, Micro and Square D are common US switches.
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MiTasol
Captain
A couple of AN 3022- switches - the 2's shown do not have the catseye but the -1B shown does. One of the -2s and the -1A both have integral anchor nuts but the first one is the style
papageno
photographed.
I could not find a better photo of the catseye switches - there are several styles
papageno
photographed.I could not find a better photo of the catseye switches - there are several styles
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VERSUCH
Airman 1st Class
MiTasol
Captain
That would be my guess. Quite a lot of possibilities which I was suggesting measuring the nuts - BA and BSF would mean Canadian.
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papageno
Airman
Hi guys ,
I did not expect such an interest in this item. To help you out let me say that I am in EU on the "Sunny side of the Alps" and that the instrument panel belongs to a locally built a/c from the 50's .
Here's the panel after a light rinse this morning. None of the placards are left visible, but the mag switch and battery disconnect should be a good clue. This should get us to the final ...
cheers
I did not expect such an interest in this item. To help you out let me say that I am in EU on the "Sunny side of the Alps" and that the instrument panel belongs to a locally built a/c from the 50's .
Here's the panel after a light rinse this morning. None of the placards are left visible, but the mag switch and battery disconnect should be a good clue. This should get us to the final ...
cheers
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MiTasol
Captain
Ahh
That helps but what language is that on the battery disconnect switch in?
If you play with lighting and exposure then put the photos into a graphics program you may well be able to read some of the placards. Below is the result of playing with your photo of the bottom centre label in Irfanview. Not readable for me but maybe for you. One word looks like KOVAN to me
That helps but what language is that on the battery disconnect switch in?
If you play with lighting and exposure then put the photos into a graphics program you may well be able to read some of the placards. Below is the result of playing with your photo of the bottom centre label in Irfanview. Not readable for me but maybe for you. One word looks like KOVAN to me
It is the indicator panel from the light auxiliary aircraft Ikarus Kurir of the former Yugoslav Air Force or the Aeroclub where these were in usage as well.
the pic source: https://en.topwar.ru/71044-istoriya-vvs-i-pvo-yugoslavii-chast-5-vvs-yuna-1945-1960-gg.html
the pic source: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Yugoslavia-Air-Force/Ikarus-Kurir-L/700457
the pic source: Picture Aeroklub Postojna Ikarus Kurir S5-MJT
