Nodeo-Franvier
Airman 1st Class
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In your opinion what was the most effective fighter Saddam have in the Gulf War?
Best Iraq Gulf War fighter?
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
Off of specs, I'd say the MiG-29, but none of those planes had much opportunity to show their stuff during the actual fighting.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Didn't a Mirage actually score against a Coalition aircraft?
Thumpalumpacus
Major
A MiG-25 shot down an F/A-18 as well.
As an aside, the war also brought the last USAF air-to-air gun kill, with an A-10 shooting down an Iraqi helo with its 30mm.
The Basket
Senior Master Sergeant
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That would depend what Fulcrum the Iraqis had. Without the HMS and R-73 then the Fulcrum is not a happy bunny.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
That had to be a sight to behold, considering the 30mm rounds would devastate an AFV - those poor bastards in the helicopter would have been vaporized.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
An EF-111
Depending on sources the Iraqis achieved 3 or 4 aerial kills while losing 45+ aircraft in aerial combat
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Nodeo-Franvier
Airman 1st Class
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I would put Mirage F-1EQ over monkey Mig-29A,It did managed to down F-14 during Iran-Iraq war after all.
ARTESH
Chief Master Sergeant
Yes, the famous "Sandwich Attack" tactic! ]t was too risky, out of 42 officially confirmed by Iraqi sources, only 3 were successful! a total of 17 Tomcats are lost + 1 never arrived Iran.
Do you mean that in 3 succesful attacks Iraqis shot down 17 F-14? I find it hard to believe, If I remember correctly in another post of yours you had mentioned the losses of Iranian F-14 and they weren't 17!
ARTESH
Chief Master Sergeant
No, In total, 17 Tomcats are lost!
Iraqi Air Force claims that 50 Sandwich attacks were done against tomcats, but only 3 were successful!
in other word, 3 of 17 downed Aircrafts were victim of Sandwich Attacks.
and about Total loss, Iranian Air Force claims the 1 remained in US as lost, this makes 18 downed / lost planes.
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Do you by any chance, have more information about those 17 losses? I thought that Iraqis were ineffective in combat against Iranian Tomcats, this number (17) might change my view.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Forgive my ignorance but what is a sandwich attack?
ARTESH
Chief Master Sergeant
17 is total loss from day 1 they entered service, till today.
ARTESH
Chief Master Sergeant
The tactic that Iraqi Air Force used to counter Iranian Tomcats using Mirages.
It's a multi-directional Attack to one target.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Thanks!
I see, that's clear now, please tell me again how many of them during the Iran-Iraq war? Two were lost before the war, 4(?) after the war in various accidents, that leave us with 11 war losses, right?
ARTESH
Chief Master Sergeant
Yes, that's right.
