Best Japanese fighter against USN planes

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Which IJAAF or IJNAF fighter was the best against USN planes?

  1. Nakajima Ki 27 Nate

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  2. Nakajima Ki 43 Oscar

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  3. Nakajima Ki 44 Tojo

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  4. Nakajima Ki 84 Frank

    23 vote(s)
    44.2%
  5. Kawasaki Ki 61 Tony

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  6. Kawasaki Ki 100 Tony

    8 vote(s)
    15.4%
  7. Kawasaki Ki 45 Nick

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  8. Mitsubishi A6M Zeke

    6 vote(s)
    11.5%
  9. Mitsubishi A7M Sam

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  10. Mitsubishi J2M Jack

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  11. Kawanishi N1K-J George

    9 vote(s)
    17.3%
  12. Nakajima J1N Irving

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  1. Vraciu

    Vraciu Member

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    As in the title, which Japanese fighter (both IJAAF and IJNAF) was the best against USN planes - F6Fs, F4Us, TBFs, SB2Cs?
     
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    Iwent with the Tony just a better all round fighter in my opinion
     
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    Yeah, I voted for the Ki-100. The N1K-J George would be my 2nd pick.
     
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    I have read the KI84 was the best of the Japanese fighters but I don't know if any of their late war fighters had much success. The big scores were usually posted by IJN guys in A6Ms.
     
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    Went for the Zero: biggest terror of the Pacific.
     
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    I went with the Frank, it was basically a US fighter in disguise.
     
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    An experienced Japanese pilot in a fully functional and working late war fighter was still dangerous. They didn't have the chance to run up their scores, but they did have successes.
     
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    Statistically, as I recall, the Mitsubishi J2M "Raiden" fared the best against USN planes.
     
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    I'll admit I don't know as much about Japanases planes as I might, but since when has lack of knowledge prevented anyone from having an opinion (this is America, Dadgummit:lol: )? I went with the Frank. Good armament with 2 12.7mm's and 2 20's, relatively fast, and tough, especially for a Japanese plane. My second choice would be the low-wing George - 2 7.62mm's and 4 20's gave it a pretty fiercesome armament, albeit with limited ammo for the 20's.

    Venganza
     
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    I agree that the Japanese pilots who were experienced near the end of the war were still formidable foes, regardless of what they were flying. I have a book by Saburo and he had victories in 1945(I think) in late model Zeros.
     
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    Ditto.


    The Ki84 was definitely formiddable, but by the time it entered service, the lack of high-octane fuel and diminished collective pilot-skill kept it from being all it could be.
     
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    Certainly the Ki-100 and the George are the best aircraft on the list although they where not available in large numbers (or relatively large numbers) unlike the Ki-84.

    Still the best 2 would of done the best against the USN so I went with the Ki-100.
     
  13. Ivan1GFP

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    My vote is for J-fighters in the following order:

    N1K2-J
    J2M3
    Ki-84

    I believe that the Ki-100 was just too slow to be competitive. It was slower than the Ki-61-II that it replaced but was quite a lot lighter and probably moved better.

    The Ki-61-I was a beautiful fighter but was just too slow and underpowered. The Ki-61-II was never reliable.

    IMHO, all of the late war Japanese fighters were much faster than typical book speeds. US Tests put the Ki-84 at 427 mph and the J2M3 at 407 mph. I am not convinced that high octane fuel did much to improve the performance because the engines were not designed for it.

    As for how well they did, The 343 Kokutai was the elite Japanese Navy unit at the end of the war and from the book Genda's Blade, it seems to me that even they were only getting a victory-loss ratio of about 1-2 or 1-3. Their biggest issues were still pilot quality and mechanical reliability of their equipment in all areas.

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  14. Vraciu

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    I think that N1K2-J and J2M3 were better than Ki-84 or Ki-100 because they have better armament, which was important against well armoured USN planes. Their performance was average, so I think that IJNAF birds were better than those of IJAAF.
     
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    The Ki-84 was the best of the Japanese fighters, it was the fastest as-well.
     
  16. Soundbreaker Welch?

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    Raiden Jack was a good plane. I think I read one of the reasons it did so well was because it's factory that made it was located near by, so they were able to get spare parts for broken Raiden's much easier. That meant a lot of Raidens weren't forced to be grounded for long periods in order to make repairs.

    One other reason the Jack may have had a good kill ratio was because the B-29 bomber flight paths were directly overhead to it on one of the islands it operated from, so to it could quickly go into action and shoot down US bombers. I'm not sure it did really well against enemy fighters, but the bombers were what the Japanese wanted to shoot down most anyway, since they were the biggest threat to Japan.

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    While I am a fan of the Zero, my vote goes to the final version of the N1K series the N1K2-J Shiden-kai.
     
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