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KraziKanuK said:
I thought the only combat the Meteor saw was against V1's. ???
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KraziKanuK said:The Meteor saw combat firing its guns in anger over the continent so I don't know why you want it excluded.
For sure, the Aircomet should not be on the list, and the Ohka and Me 163, as mentioned.
cheddar cheese said:the lancaster kicks ass said:for god's sake the Ho-229 was too unstable too be any use!!
Which completely contrasts everything else ive read...
RG_Lunatic said:KraziKanuK said:The Meteor saw combat firing its guns in anger over the continent so I don't know why you want it excluded.
For sure, the Aircomet should not be on the list, and the Ohka and Me 163, as mentioned.
I thought the only combat the Meteor saw was against V1's. ???
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A detachment of four meteors were sent to Holland as a prelude to the squadron moving into the front line. They were painted all white so as to be easily seen by the friendly troops they flew over. The aim was to familiarize everyone to the sight and especially the sound of the new aircraft with no propeller, It was done to help prevent them being shot down by friendly fire.
When the rest of the {616} squadron moved to Holland in 1945 they were immediately tasked with Ground Attack Missions however they did not get much opportunity because the war came to an end on 1945. In this short time they successfully destroyed a great many enemy convoy trucks, trains and aircraft on the ground.
http://www.turner.force9.co.uk/616sqd2.htm
KraziKanuK said:Oh, so now the jet has to be in aerial combat.That leaves the P-80 out, for sure.
The Meteors were manuevering to engage some 190s when they were jumped by some Spits.
RG_Lunatic said:KraziKanuK said:Oh, so now the jet has to be in aerial combat.That leaves the P-80 out, for sure.
The Meteors were manuevering to engage some 190s when they were jumped by some Spits.
Which would still leave it out of the running. I figure if the standard is "must have enaged in combat", only the Me262, He162, and Ar234 qualify. If the standard was "must have flown a combat sortie", then that adds in the Meteor and P-80 (which flew CAP missions over realtively safe ground, but that is still a combat sortie - it was within German range).
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KraziKanuK said:RG_Lunatic said:KraziKanuK said:Oh, so now the jet has to be in aerial combat.That leaves the P-80 out, for sure.
The Meteors were manuevering to engage some 190s when they were jumped by some Spits.
Which would still leave it out of the running. I figure if the standard is "must have enaged in combat", only the Me262, He162, and Ar234 qualify. If the standard was "must have flown a combat sortie", then that adds in the Meteor and P-80 (which flew CAP missions over realtively safe ground, but that is still a combat sortie - it was within German range).
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You insult the memories of all those killed in a2g missions.
If one wants to really push their imagination then the P-80 flights could be called a combat sortie. The Ar234 only dropped bombs and took photos, yet you want to disqualify the Meteor.
delcyros said:Back to the Ho-IX: There is a fact that indicates it´s stability. All Horten designs flow properly (except Ho-I). The Ho-VII could fly on one engine and keep cycling at treetop altitude and very low speed. You cannot compare the Horten flying wing designs with Northtrop design, because all US designs proved to lack a very important point: The bell shaped lift distribution of the wing. Horten himself tried to convince them, but they refused his help. Only a bell shaped lift distribution can make a flying wing stable enough as long as you don´t have fly by wire controlls. The Ho-II glider could do things you wouldn´t believe! (There is an analysis of the benefits of the bell shaped lift distribution of the Horten glider planes for their reconstruction in the Technisches Museum Berlin) However, the Ho-IX is a bit overrated in my eyes, it could barely have flown that fast (607 mph), that would result in compressability problems at any altitude (if Hortens estimation of critical Mach speed was correct).
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:Since when is ground combat such as destroying ground vehicals not a combat mission. Every mission I flew over Iraq was a combat mission and what was my basic threat. Ground fire, there was no arial threat. So if the Meteor did see action against ground targets, then yes it did see combat and flew combat missions in WW2 which means it should be in the poll. It saw more action than the P-80!