Romantic Technofreak
Airman
- 37
- Jul 12, 2008
Hi all,
maybe you remember this thread: What if lots of B-29-like bombers with glide bombs had attacked very well protected convoys?
and the endless discussion with my friend, whom some of you don't believe he exists. He does, be sure.
The next thesis he utters is this (always remember there is no Eastern Frontier, so peace or armistice bertween Germany + USSR, after Hitler was toppled in early autumn 1942):
"German air power (including in reality "nearly ready" types like He 100 and Fw 187) will prevent Allied air power to fully establish in 1943 on British ground."
I say no to this once more. Sources say, in 1943 GB built 4.270 Spitfires and some Typhoons. US built around 23.000 fighters. Surely they needed a couple for the Pacific theater, but should still be enough to concentrate an even greater fighter force in Britain than was in reality. I made a plan calculating around 5.400 fighters for Germany in 1943 (this number can be less than in reality, but the quality should be better).
My friend says, the dislocation of US fighters in Britain was already the top of what could have been expected. German attacks (by better bomber and fighter force than in reality) on the Allied fighter force would attrite it (contrary to reality).
My friend says, there were not much more than 1000 fighters in active service on British ground. I mean, in direct conflict the odds would turn against Germany, even if better aircraft were employed. The number of Allied fighters is way more than the German one, so better German quality will not have a crucial effect. And then we were back to the convoy problem. Only if there were no more gasoline, the Allied aircraft in Britain would be grounded, and the Allied side on the loose.
Please tell me a word to this, if you like, although I know the constellation is highly theoretical.
Thank you, and regards,
RT
maybe you remember this thread: What if lots of B-29-like bombers with glide bombs had attacked very well protected convoys?
and the endless discussion with my friend, whom some of you don't believe he exists. He does, be sure.
The next thesis he utters is this (always remember there is no Eastern Frontier, so peace or armistice bertween Germany + USSR, after Hitler was toppled in early autumn 1942):
"German air power (including in reality "nearly ready" types like He 100 and Fw 187) will prevent Allied air power to fully establish in 1943 on British ground."
I say no to this once more. Sources say, in 1943 GB built 4.270 Spitfires and some Typhoons. US built around 23.000 fighters. Surely they needed a couple for the Pacific theater, but should still be enough to concentrate an even greater fighter force in Britain than was in reality. I made a plan calculating around 5.400 fighters for Germany in 1943 (this number can be less than in reality, but the quality should be better).
My friend says, the dislocation of US fighters in Britain was already the top of what could have been expected. German attacks (by better bomber and fighter force than in reality) on the Allied fighter force would attrite it (contrary to reality).
My friend says, there were not much more than 1000 fighters in active service on British ground. I mean, in direct conflict the odds would turn against Germany, even if better aircraft were employed. The number of Allied fighters is way more than the German one, so better German quality will not have a crucial effect. And then we were back to the convoy problem. Only if there were no more gasoline, the Allied aircraft in Britain would be grounded, and the Allied side on the loose.
Please tell me a word to this, if you like, although I know the constellation is highly theoretical.
Thank you, and regards,
RT