Bf 109G-10

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  1. DerAdlerIstGelandet

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    Well Dan has inspired me to return to WW2 Aircraft modeling. I have decided to stick to 1:48 scale because that way it is more detailed but it is also not so big and there is room to display them. I have decided to go with a Bf 109G-10 for my first WW2 aircraft in years.

    Well here are a few questions:

    1. I am either going to paint this one in colors and decals of a III./JG 1 based out of Anklam in November of 1944 or a II./JG 27 based out of Schleswig-Holstein in March of 1945. The problem I have is this. The painting diagrams are terrible in this kit. Does anyone know where I can find some color drawings of aircaft from these squadrons.

    2. Though I have experience building models (nowhere near as good as some of the guys who post there models here) I was wondering what is the best product to use as a gloss coat before putting on the decals, if this is the best way to do so to keep the decals from silvering?
     
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    Ive read that a coat of Future Floor Wax is recommended prior to the decals... The best way I can tell u about the Camo directions is to first find a decal set that u want to use, (which pilot of which Gruppe) then follow up on the camo scheming...

    I like the idea of the JG27 kite..
     
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    Hallo Der Adler,

    Ad.2 Les is right the Future Floor Wax is used very often.There is another liquid for floor conservation and cleaning called "Pronto".It can be used as well.The effect of using both of them is the same - a smooth surface.It is a secret of avoidance of silvering.So you can use the liquids or a gloss cote simply.All paint makers offer the kind of a varnish for their colours ( for both enamels and acrylic paints ). Personally, I use the Humbrol gloss cote which is offered in small 28ml bottles.It has very important feature it doesn't become yellowish for very long time.

    Ad.1 I've found this profile so far.Source unknown.
     

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    Der Adler: Looking forward to some pictures.....

    Charles
     
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    Adler a gloss coat is a must before decalling, it is also a good idea to put another gloss coat after the decals as well, this ensures a uniform finish when you then apply a flat coat.
    Sometimes without the second gloss coat you get a different sheen of finish on the decals to the rest of the aircraft.

    Are you doing the Revell G-10?

    Looking forward to your build.
     
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    Wurger not real sure that is a G-10 though, might be a G-6/AS in November 44, G-10's usually came a bit late December 44's end into January depending on the JG.
     
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    oo good news. I look foward to your progress :)
     
  8. DerAdlerIstGelandet

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    Yeap that is the exact paint scheme that comes with the kit. I dont think I am going to do that one because it just seems to easy and basic. I would rather have a real camo scheme so I am going to with the JG 27 scheme.

    One last question Wurger and Wayne. What is the best way to apply the the gloss coat. Paint it on or put it through my airbrush? I dont like the idea of using it in my airbrush.

    Wayne, yes it is the Revelle kit. I decided to go with a basic and cheap kit from my local hobby shop, since this is my first kit in about 4 or 5 years. Have you built this kit?
     
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    I believe that profile is a G-10. Look at the tail.
     
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    Okay guys I have answered my question myself. Future can be airbrushed on without thinner. :lol:

    Okay well I will keep you guys posted as it goes. If this works out well I am going to make a Spitfire next and will continue in this sequence:

    1. Germany
    2. England
    3. Japan
    4. USA
    5. Italy
    6. Russia

    1. Fighter
    2. Bomber
    3. Transport
    4. Attack/Dive Bomber
    5. Misc.

    :lol:
     
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    can't wait to see how this turns out adler
     
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    Der Adler, Please let me know how the "Future" gloss paint job turns out. I've always used gloss paint under and on top of my decals but I'm interested in this "Future" idea.
     
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    Adler yes I have built it,the Revell G-10 is a nice kit to build, it's simple and straight forward. You shouldn't even need any filler other than the wing to fuselage join on the rear underside, and even then it wont be much if you do need it.

    If you go for a Spitfire next get the Tamiya MkI or II? or Mk.V fantastic detail and is also a simple and straight forward build also. Good hunting!
     
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    Chris the moskito-jagd G-6/AS in September 1944 of 10./JG 300 all had tall tails like the G-10. I have fotos of the JG 1 birds in the RLM 76 scheme, but need to hunt them down for the captions as they will tell what they are precisely
     
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    I too have allways used gloss paint, but I saw the future thing in a Fine Scale Model Magazine and they recommended it.

    Yeah I dry fitted the wing last night and I can tell I will need a bit of filler. I am going to attach it tonight and let it dry. Right now I am waiting on my swastika decals.

    Yeah I saw that in my 109 book at home.
     
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    Hallo Erich,
    You can be right.But in some books on Bf109G I found info that there were G-10s with a short aerial mast and undercarriage (660x160 tyres) typical for earlier version of both G-6s and G-14s and like these were equipped with a wooden rudder and a shorter gear of the tail wheel.So the profile can be also right.
     
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    at Anklam A/F in the Fall of 1944, III./JG 1 had RLM 76 Bf 109G-6/AS, G-14/As and G-10 mix were to come later in December of 44 W├╝rger, photo evidence proves this
     
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    So it is a very important info.Let me go through some books that aren't on my shelves in order to see these pic.Could you tell me some sources where I can find out much more?
    Could you also tell me when exactly III./JG1 was equipped with G-10?
    According to my infos G-10s were issued to units in early fall 1944.
     
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    Adler, can't wait for the completed model!

    Wurger and Erich, checked my books real quick and found a profile for a G-10 of I./JG 3 for Jan 45 with the short aerial and non-wooden rudder but with a different tailwheel assembly than the pic posted here. Very next page shows a G-10/U-4 with no aerial and the wooden tail from Kroat. Jagdstaffel. Maybe at that point of the war it was difficult to keep types seperate without slight changes among them. (Axis Aircraft of WWII by David Mondey pg 171-173).

    and found this from....

    Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10/U4 - Production and Operational Service Reviewed by Brett Green (JaPo)

    "December 1944 saw the DIANA facility move to construction of the final Bf 109G model. The sole variant produced here was the Bf 109G-10/U4. The Bf 109G-10/U4 aircraft produced at WNF could be distinguished by the following external features:

    1.tall wooden fin (with either B or C style rudder, some with Flettner tab installation)

    2.wide 660x190mm tyres and the large streamlined fairing

    3.improved cockpit heating featuring hot air ducting on the back of the canopy armour

    4.uniquely shaped rivetted fairings below the windscreen (otherwise similar to non-Erla build cowl)

    5.short tail wheel strut

    6.engine mounted 30mm MK 108 cannon (unique to WNF Bf 109Gs)

    also check out:

    Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10 in Detail


    Adler, the Kroat machine is very colorful. I'll see if I can find a profile to post. Just tryin to help.
     
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    Hi Njaco,

    In your post it has been described the typical layout of G10's.But this variant of Bf 109 was "a mixture" of early Bf 109G's with some components of Bf109K.Therefore there were so many different G-10's in a shape.Besides when G-14 was introduced the differences become much more unvisible.I think Erich can be right.He has much experience in this.But Der Adler was looking for better quality profiles for his Bf 109 G of Revell.The uploaded by me profile showes one of the two camo patterns that the kit offers.Unfortunately there can be mistake in the profile because it is possible it could be Bf109G6/AS but not G-10 at all.I have a couple profiles of Bf109G6/AS of 7./JG1 and I./JG3 in the Special Escort camo and these birds look almost like the posted above.The main problem is when the G-10s went into service in the units.I think the good quality pics are needed to solve the problem.

    regards,
     
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