Bf 109K-4
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vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
Nice!
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GregP
Major
Thanks. Took long enough ... the rivets are a bitch!
l'Omnivore Sobriquet
Airman 1st Class
I would have prefered a more 'even' background...
It would enhance visibility certainly. I like the little Messerschmitt logo..
Very nice drawing.
It would enhance visibility certainly. I like the little Messerschmitt logo..
Very nice drawing.
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GregP
Major
Thanks l'Omivore. Backgrounds are easy. What do you suggest? If you are making signs for a museum, you have to pick a look and stick with it, but this one would very simple to change.
I think my CAD program is limited to 64,000 or so colors ... but ... within that scope it's pretty wide open.
Some might be offended by the Swastika, too. That is simple to remove but is correct for historical purposes only. I am not a fan of the Nazis but am also not offended by seeing their emblem on an aircraft or on a drawing of an aircraft. The reason most of my line drawngs show a white fill is because they will mostly be used as 3-views for the Planes of Fame Museum. We have a Bf 109G-6, but I simply chose to draw a K-4 this time and stuck with the theme since fills and markings are not difficult to change.
Light background colors also use WAY less ink and are thus chepaer to produce. My printer uses 8 ink cartridges that can be expensive to replenish.
If you zoom in, you can probably see the crosshatching on the radiators in the front view.
I think my CAD program is limited to 64,000 or so colors ... but ... within that scope it's pretty wide open.
Some might be offended by the Swastika, too. That is simple to remove but is correct for historical purposes only. I am not a fan of the Nazis but am also not offended by seeing their emblem on an aircraft or on a drawing of an aircraft. The reason most of my line drawngs show a white fill is because they will mostly be used as 3-views for the Planes of Fame Museum. We have a Bf 109G-6, but I simply chose to draw a K-4 this time and stuck with the theme since fills and markings are not difficult to change.
Light background colors also use WAY less ink and are thus chepaer to produce. My printer uses 8 ink cartridges that can be expensive to replenish.
If you zoom in, you can probably see the crosshatching on the radiators in the front view.
l'Omnivore Sobriquet
Airman 1st Class
I'm certainly no swastika eradicator on WWII German airplanes, being an aviation enthousist from childhood. I'm used to it as a 'war paint', and of course swastikas are mendatory historically, referring to that era.
But :
- your drawing is not painted (I love it like that. I like technical drawings a lot.)
- graphically this huge black thing does kill the subject itself, this lightly drawn Me-109. Its massive black branches (i.e. arms) fuzzy the perception of the K-4 fine lines and details.
- and, hm, a non aviation enthousiast viewing the drawing might really wonder what its main topic might be..
So, an homogenous background would enhance the subject a lot. Something light grey with a black frame ?
For educational and historical purposes, of course a swastika should be present. Somewhere in the frame..
As a suggestion I would advice the graphical choices of the luftarchiv.de website, specialized in WWII German aviation :
Messerschmitt (scroll through pages)
(Using plane-makers logos of the time fits my personnal tastes.)
This being said let us not spoil the discussion with the swastika topic. Which us old av enthousiasts have all diggested for a long time. I have nothing to add , and trust your free judgment. I insist on the graphical issue though, your Me-109 deserves better, or simply good, enhancement.
But :
- your drawing is not painted (I love it like that. I like technical drawings a lot.)
- graphically this huge black thing does kill the subject itself, this lightly drawn Me-109. Its massive black branches (i.e. arms) fuzzy the perception of the K-4 fine lines and details.
- and, hm, a non aviation enthousiast viewing the drawing might really wonder what its main topic might be..
So, an homogenous background would enhance the subject a lot. Something light grey with a black frame ?
For educational and historical purposes, of course a swastika should be present. Somewhere in the frame..
As a suggestion I would advice the graphical choices of the luftarchiv.de website, specialized in WWII German aviation :
Messerschmitt (scroll through pages)
(Using plane-makers logos of the time fits my personnal tastes.)
This being said let us not spoil the discussion with the swastika topic. Which us old av enthousiasts have all diggested for a long time. I have nothing to add , and trust your free judgment. I insist on the graphical issue though, your Me-109 deserves better, or simply good, enhancement.
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Nice work Greg.
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GregP
Major
Thanks Wayne, and l;Omnivore ... I;'ll look into another versiosn ... right after the superbowl tomorrow (American Football championship game).
I appreciate the critical response. Goiong bavk and looking ... I see I also forgot to shade the propeller blades on the front view. How basic is that?
Somebody slap me.
I appreciate the critical response. Goiong bavk and looking ... I see I also forgot to shade the propeller blades on the front view. How basic is that?
Somebody slap me.
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GregP
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OK, Maybe this one?
I think it is difficult to interpret what has been said so we both think on a similar line.
I think it is difficult to interpret what has been said so we both think on a similar line.
l'Omnivore Sobriquet
Airman 1st Class
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l'Omnivore Sobriquet
Airman 1st Class
Much better.
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GregP
Major
Appreciate it,l'Omnivore.
bobbysocks
Chief Master Sergeant
nice work greg....you going to do other ac too?
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GregP
Major
Actually I have done a LOT of them for the Museum.
If you have a favorite, I might alreadly have done it. To date I think I have done a Bf 109E, F, G-6, K-4, Lockheed P-38, Bell P-39, Curtiss P-40, Republic P-47 (a couple), North American P-51D, Bell P-63, Mitsubishi A6M5 Model 52, Mitsubishi J2M-3, Aichi D3A Val, Yokosuka D4Y-3 Judy, Mitsubishi Ki-46, Kawasaki Ki-61 100, Mitsubishi G4M, Aichi B7A1l, Focke Wulf Fw 190, Beech A-38, Seversky P-35, Yak-3 9, MiG-3, Fiat G-56, Re.2005, MC.202, MC.205, Archangelsky AR-2, DC-3, and more than momentarily elude me. Also did quite a few jets.
Not so much these days as I am VERY tired of placing rivets. I'm starting to see little circles in front of me and need a break from 3-View drawings. I'm probably some 40% along on a Northrop P-61 (have the side view done).
They started out as simple 3-view line drawings and I gradually added more detail until they are now fairly well mostly detailed. These days I sort of hunt and peck at them to make them better for the next time I have to use them.
I have a very nice drawing of the Walt Disney Nautilus in good detail. Getting info on it wasn't simple, but it's y all-time favorite sub. The "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" "Seaview" was good .... but it had no propellers, went down and hit the same rock on the bottom every week (you'd think they would have had a company of guards in front of the circuitry room, huh?), and was altogether forgettable compared with the Nautilus.
If you have a favorite, I might alreadly have done it. To date I think I have done a Bf 109E, F, G-6, K-4, Lockheed P-38, Bell P-39, Curtiss P-40, Republic P-47 (a couple), North American P-51D, Bell P-63, Mitsubishi A6M5 Model 52, Mitsubishi J2M-3, Aichi D3A Val, Yokosuka D4Y-3 Judy, Mitsubishi Ki-46, Kawasaki Ki-61 100, Mitsubishi G4M, Aichi B7A1l, Focke Wulf Fw 190, Beech A-38, Seversky P-35, Yak-3 9, MiG-3, Fiat G-56, Re.2005, MC.202, MC.205, Archangelsky AR-2, DC-3, and more than momentarily elude me. Also did quite a few jets.
Not so much these days as I am VERY tired of placing rivets. I'm starting to see little circles in front of me and need a break from 3-View drawings. I'm probably some 40% along on a Northrop P-61 (have the side view done).
They started out as simple 3-view line drawings and I gradually added more detail until they are now fairly well mostly detailed. These days I sort of hunt and peck at them to make them better for the next time I have to use them.
I have a very nice drawing of the Walt Disney Nautilus in good detail. Getting info on it wasn't simple, but it's y all-time favorite sub. The "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" "Seaview" was good .... but it had no propellers, went down and hit the same rock on the bottom every week (you'd think they would have had a company of guards in front of the circuitry room, huh?), and was altogether forgettable compared with the Nautilus.
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Clayton Magnet
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Very nice Greg, thanks for the obvious time and effort.
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GregP
Major
You're welcome. Here's an oddball plane. It's a Soviet Archangelsky AR-2:
An oddball if ever there was one, but I like it ...
An oddball if ever there was one, but I like it ...
Hi Greg
Very nice work, but I've to say that the riverts very seldom did appear in a full drawing of an aircraft, for a very simple reason: or you design the exact number of rivets, and in that scale it was extremely difficult (no CAD in those times...) otherwise you'll have discrepancies with detail drawings, with obvious consequences in production....
I have some original blueprints of airplanes, submarine and ships of WWII era and, when I look at them I'm astonished of the skill of the draughtsmen of those times.
Of course I admire a lot your work.
From:
Project BF-109 E 4 1/5 - Page 12
Very nice work, but I've to say that the riverts very seldom did appear in a full drawing of an aircraft, for a very simple reason: or you design the exact number of rivets, and in that scale it was extremely difficult (no CAD in those times...) otherwise you'll have discrepancies with detail drawings, with obvious consequences in production....
I have some original blueprints of airplanes, submarine and ships of WWII era and, when I look at them I'm astonished of the skill of the draughtsmen of those times.
Of course I admire a lot your work.
From:
Project BF-109 E 4 1/5 - Page 12
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GregP
Major
I sort of picked a style and stayed with it. The riovets appear to be heavily shaded in this JPG file in here but, in my CAD prpgram they are hairlines and do not overwhelm when printed. My CAD program has almost unlimited resolution but a JPG does not. There is a lot lost in the translation.
Anyway, these drawings are not for commercial sale, maybe except by me. Call it a hobby.
Anyway, these drawings are not for commercial sale, maybe except by me. Call it a hobby.
kettbo
Senior Airman
nice work here!
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GregP
Major
Thanks!
