Brits loved the P-39!
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Colin1
Senior Master Sergeant
Best take Pathe Newsreel clips with a pinch of salt
Talking up the war effort was their secondary role, imagine a WWII release that went something along the lines of "Oh my God! Look what those damn Yankees have sold us! No altitude performance and the range of a frisbee! We're all gonna die!"
I mean, talking up the side-door entry method so that 'the pilot doesn't have to climb in' like it's some kind of advantage
Talking up the war effort was their secondary role, imagine a WWII release that went something along the lines of "Oh my God! Look what those damn Yankees have sold us! No altitude performance and the range of a frisbee! We're all gonna die!"
I mean, talking up the side-door entry method so that 'the pilot doesn't have to climb in' like it's some kind of advantage
buffnut453
Captain
I mean, talking up the side-door entry method so that 'the pilot doesn't have to climb in' like it's some kind of advantage
The script was obviously written by a well-experienced marketing man. "Yes, madam, I appreciate that brown is not a very fashionable colour but see how it doesn't show the dirt" etc etc etc
Matt308
Glock Perfection
That was funny! - Thread starter
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But it MUST be true!
buffnut453
Captain
Colin1
Senior Master Sergeant
Yes, but that's an American bird using American measures:
Airacobra - 120 US gallons
Spitfire Ia - 102 US gallons
Airacobra - 114 Imp gallons
Spitfire Ia - 85 Imp gallons
Pilots Notes for both aircraft reveal:
Spitfire Ia - Cruising Weak - 18,000ft - 56 gals/hr
Airacobra - Auto lean - 11,000ft - 68.2 gals/hr
buffnut453
Captain
Wow, you guys can´t even agree on how many milliliters a pint has!
By the way, I´m supporting the Brits as their pint is larger. Cheers!
Colin1
Senior Master Sergeant
Hmm
didn't do the maths on the Airacobra, just took Markus' figure and worked out the imperial measure.
If I take the imperial figure from the pilots notes however, the Airacobra had room for 137 US gallons.
But if I take Markus' figure (120 US gallons) and work out the imperial measure, it's just barely 100 Imp gallons.
Conundrum
didn't do the maths on the Airacobra, just took Markus' figure and worked out the imperial measure.
If I take the imperial figure from the pilots notes however, the Airacobra had room for 137 US gallons.
But if I take Markus' figure (120 US gallons) and work out the imperial measure, it's just barely 100 Imp gallons.
Conundrum
Glider
Captain
What I like about the Pathe film is that when the Airacobra was shown to the press and the film taken, the aircraft had already been taken out of service.
The script writer these days would probably be a top political spin doctor
The script writer these days would probably be a top political spin doctor
davebender
1st Lieutenant
They was free. Just like P-40s, Sherman tanks, M3 light tanks, M7 SP artillery etc.
If Britain and the Soviet Union had to pay for this stuff they might prefer their own equipment designs instead. 8)
If Britain and the Soviet Union had to pay for this stuff they might prefer their own equipment designs instead. 8)
michaelmaltby
Colonel
davebender, your post isn't factually correct. See link:
UK to repay last of WWII debts to the US, Canada today [Archive] - MPACUK :: Muslim Discussion Forum
I apologize for a less authoritative link but I'm sure you can verify elsewhere. On the otherhand, the USSR ....
MM
UK to repay last of WWII debts to the US, Canada today [Archive] - MPACUK :: Muslim Discussion Forum
I apologize for a less authoritative link but I'm sure you can verify elsewhere. On the otherhand, the USSR ....
MM
ccheese
Member In Perpetuity
I liked the music ! Benny Goodman, "The King of Swing".....
Benny Goodman - The King of Swing
Charles
Benny Goodman - The King of Swing
Charles
Glider
Captain
Cheeky Bugger
As for designs the Spit for the P40, Cromwell for Sherman, Armoured cars for M3 and Sexton for M7. I admit that we may not have had enough, but as designs these are a fair match.
Plus of course, we did pay for the kit
Only that which wasn't destroyed and then it was .03 on the dollar with a 60 year loan.
The orignal subprime loan!
claidemore
Senior Airman
I think there might be a few of their own designs that teh Soviets didn't mind using too much. T34 and IS2 tanks, 152mm/1937 gun/howitzer (Germans even used captured ones on Atlantic wall),1942/76.2 gun, Katyusha rocket launcher, PPSh 41 sub machine gun, IL2 attack plane, Tu2 light/medium bomber to name a few.
On the British side, Spitfires seemed to be well liked, Bren gun, Daimler scout cars, Canadian built Chevy trucks (British design specs), Cromwell tanks, SMLE rifle, QF 25-pdr gun, QF 17-pdr anti-tank gun, Mk II 3 inch mortar, PIAT anti-tank weapon, Mosquito, Lancaster, Typhoon, Tempest, Lysander and a bunch of naval stuff that I'm not really well versed on.
To be fair though, the Jeep was one US design that was well liked, Thompson sub-machine gun, Mustangs of any Mark, B17, Canso (PBY) and others. I don't believe any one nation had across the board supremacy in weapons design for WWII.
Economically, all the European nations came out of the war in poor shape, UK included. North America enjoyed a post war period of relative prosperity.
That wiser and more gracious heads decided to forgive much of the lend/lease debt is commendable IMO,(the cause was just after all).
michaelmaltby
Colonel
timshatz - I guess that's true too for the Beaufighters and Spits that the UK supplied the USAAF and the Mossies that Canada provided the USAAF and the airbase leases in Bermuda, Newfoundland and elsewhere. You got a hate on for the UK today Please quote a source for your $.03 on the $ reference.
MM
Please quote a source for your $.03 on the $ reference.MM
Colin1
Senior Master Sergeant
...unsinkable aircraft carrier?
When you needed it, it was free - in both senses of the word. The other sense of the word was already paid for with the blood of RAF pilots; not many of whom were flying P-40s.
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