Chauvière metal mystery propeller blade. Used on Morane-Saulnier M.S.406?

[Rock the Sky]

Hi Everyone, hope your having a nice summer.
I have recently acquired this 60 inch metal Chauvière propeller blade with screw and was hoping someone would be able to identify which airplane it may have been used on.
From what I have researched I was leaning towards the Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 french fighter plane.

Thank you so much for your help!

Erica

 

[Snautzer01]

Hi. Why do you tink ms406?

 

[Rock the Sky]

Hi. Why do you tink ms406?

This was suggested to me on a Facebook page. Thanks

 

[Snautzer01]

And why would people think that? Not that they are wrong or anything but it is helpfull to know their reasoning .

 

[Rock the Sky]

And why would people think that? Not that they are wrong or anything but it is helpfull to know their reasoning .

they didn't really elaborate. Just sent this:

https://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/heliciersfrancais.pdf?fbclid=IwAR05dLjs6lvZH9xV5ASRJRDRiKXP4AdQSKFDHAYglYxWvBGOSn9acXHun9E

 

[Rock the Sky]

also it was suggested it came off of the Messerschmitt Me 323 version Me 323D-6

Messerschmitt Me 323 - Price, Specs, Photo Gallery, History - Aero Corner

The Messerschmitt Me 323 was manufactured by the German company Messerschmitt as a heavy military transport aircraft during the Second World War. It first flew in January 1942 and entered service in 1943. The aircraft was majorly used by the Luftwaffe and was a powered version of the cargo glider…

aerocorner.com

 

[woodhaven]

MS 406
- Chauviere 351M Ø 3000
- Hispano Suiza 270 Ø 3100
- Ratier 1607 Ø 3100

Me 323
- Ratier 1634/1635
- Haine

 

[Rock the Sky]

MS 406
- Chauviere 351M Ø 3000
- Hispano Suiza 270 Ø 3100
- Ratier 1607 Ø 3100

Me 323
- Ratier 1634/1635
- Haine

This blade is also NOT counter-rotating and would be around 3.2-3.4m in diameter completed. It looks to be a series type 528. Any info on this blade? Thanks

 

[waroff]

This blade is clockwise rotating(seen from pilot) but french single engine airplanes had counterclockwise propeller.
May be a propeller of twin engined as MB 174/175 or other

 

[waroff]

Chauvière 1444 blades(clockwise) and 1443(counterclockwise) fitted on Ratier hub were for prop on the Bloch MB210
powered by two Gnome Rhone engines 14N.

Material blade was alu alloy L2R, dia propeller 3,20m

 

[Rock the Sky]

Chauvière 1444 blades(clockwise) and 1443(counterclockwise) fitted on Ratier hub were for prop on the Bloch MB210
powered by two Gnome Rhone engines 14N.

Material blade was alu alloy L2R, dia propeller 3,20m

Waroff - this is fantastic information. Do you have an documents showing this?
I have also been told that this blade was the same as the Ratier 1635 blade used on the Messerschmitt Me 323 D-6, Leo 45, Amiot 351 & 354.

Here are some additional photos with the rattier hub adapter i found.

Still confusion but I believe we are nearing the answers to the mystery.

Thanks so much for an additional images, docs, info you can provide.

-RT

 

[waroff]

1444 were also used on Amiot 340 propeller
1635 blades were obtained from 1444 matrix

I found these information in "notice de renseignement. Ecole de mécanicien de Rochefort- armée de l'Air- 1939",
and Ratier propeller notes

 

[Rock the Sky]

1444 were also used on Amiot 340 propeller
1635 blades were obtained from 1444 matrix

I found these information in "notice de renseignement. Ecole de mécanicien de Rochefort- armée de l'Air- 1939",
and Ratier propeller notes

Thank you

What does "1635 blades were obtained from 1444 matrix" mean? They were same blade? Licensed from Chauviere?

Thanks
RT

 

[waroff]

before machining the blade there is a raw, this 1444 matrix give the 1444 type, then in these same matrix other types as 1635,1719 could be machined.
the overall shape of the blade 1444 is typical Ratier design but made by Chauvière sub contractor?