Dornier Do-17 215, EXCELLENT Luftwaffe bomber

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  1. Fafnir

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    It is often said the Ju-88 was Germany's "Schnell bomber" (fast bomber), one so fast it could outrun enemy fighters. Well, the fact is the Spitfire, Hurricane, and Dewotine 520 could easily catch it and shoot it down.
    The Ju-88 was fast only in the Luftwaffe's dream.

    The Do-17 when it started service was faster then anything the Spanish had. Losses where far greater from AA and accidents then air-to-air.

    It was also maneuverable, as written by its pilots, but also those that tried to shoot them down (reported by RAF flyers in Hurricanes and Spitfires!)

    Why was it pulled from front line service in mid 1941? The Do-217 was put in full production, can could carry 4000kg the bomb-load. While the He-177 and Ju-288 could not replace the earlier He-111 and Ju-88.

    BEFORE you start posting, check out this web site.
    Dornier Do-17 and 215 facts and info
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  2. DerAdlerIstGelandet

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    I believe what you are referring to is the fact that at the beginning of the war the Ju-88 was faster than its primary enemy at the time. Yes the Hurricane adn the Spit were faster but when the Ju-88 came out it was pretty fast for a bomber.

    The thing that made the Ju-88 so good was its versatility. It coudl be used for anything.

    The 217 was a pretty good bomber and just not used to its advantage.
     
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    2 things to also look at. How hard was the -17 to maintain in the field and how easy was it to produce? This may be another reason why it was pulled from front line service so soon.
     
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    I think it was pulled just because it was quickly outdated.
     
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    I thought it was the Ju-188 that replaced the Ju-88? In so far as much as ive read the Ju-188 was built in fair numbers and was pretty good. The Ju-488 and Do-317 would have been interesting...
     
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    The Ju-88 was never really replaced. It was supposed to be the replacement and yes it was better in performance. Only about 1036 were built however.

    Type: Bomber (D-2 Reconnaissance)
    Origin: Junkers Flugzeug und Motorenwerke AG
    Models: Ju 188A, D and E series
    Crew: Five
    First Flight:
    Ju 88B-0: Early 1940
    Ju 88V27: September 1941
    Ju 188V1: December 1941
    Ju 188E-1: March 1942
    Final Delivery: 1945-46 (French built)
    Number Produced: 1,100

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    Engine:
    Ju 188A Ju 188D:
    Model: Junkers Jumo 213A
    Type: 12-Cylinder inverted liquid cooled vee
    Number: Two Horsepower: 1,776 hp

    Ju 188E:
    Model: BMW 801G-2
    Type: 18-Cylinder two-row radials
    Number: Two Horsepower: 1,700 hp

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    Dimensions:
    Wing span: 72 ft. 2 in. (22m)
    Length: 49 ft. 1 in. (14.96m)
    Height: 14 ft. 7 in. (4.44m)
    Wing Surface Area: 602.80 sq. ft.

    Weights:
    Empty:
    Ju 188E-1: 21,825 lb. (9900 kg)
    Loaded:
    Ju 188A D: 33,730 lb. (15,300 kg)
    Ju 188E-1: 31,967 lb. (14,500 kg)
    Performance:
    Maximum Speed:
    Ju 188A: 325 mph at 20,500 ft. (6250m)
    Ju 188D: 350 mph at 27,000 ft. (8235m)
    Ju 188E: 310 mph at 19,685 ft. (6000m)
    Initial Climb: N/A
    Service Ceiling:
    Ju 188A: 33,000 ft. (10,060m)
    Ju 188D: 36,090 ft. (11,000m)
    Ju 188A: 31,170 ft. (9500m)
    Range with 3,300 lb. (1500kg) bomb load:
    Ju 188A E: 1,360 miles (2160 km)

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    Armament: Typical.
    One 20mm MG 151/20 cannon in nose.

    One 13mm MG 131 machine gun in dorsal turret.

    One 13mm MG 131 machine gun manually aimed from rear dorsal position.

    One 13mm MG 131 machine gun or
    twin 7.92mm MG 81 machine gun manually aimed from rear ventral position.

    Payload: Typical.
    6,614 lb. (3000kg) of bombs internally or two 2,200 lb. (1000kg) torpedos under inner wings.


    I think the Ju-188S and Ju-188T would have been interesting had they been developed more. They were built but never tried with a defensive armament. I believe these two could have been good interceptors with bomber killer armament.

     

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  7. the lancaster kicks ass

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    a damned ugly brute.........
     
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    I think she was quite attractive. Kind of reminds me of a hornet or wasp.
     
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    but that cockpit is huge and ugly!!
     
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    I guess it is just a matter of personal taste.
     

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    which you are obviously lacking :lilangel:
     
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    Everyone has personal taste...its not possible to not have it...Nothing wrong the 188 though. Not good looking but there are far uglier out there.
     
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    I dont know you happen to like the Lanc....that does not say much! :lol:

    No really I happen to like some of the wierder designs such as the 188, Ju-288, and espeically the Ju-388.
     

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    I agree there, the Ju-388 is a sexy looking beast 8)
     
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    I don't like the nose- sticks out too much
     
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    On the 288 maybe, but not the 388.

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    It's the weird cockpit perspex aswell
     
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    that doesn't actually look too bad!! :oops:

    (there, i said something good about a plane that wasn't british, happy now!! look what you've reduced me to :cry: )
     
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    No lanc youre finally in the right, it does look good! :lol:
     
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    but this doesn't mean i'm not patriotic!!
     
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