Fighters in North African Theatre

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  1. Vincenzo

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    I want start a comparison of fighters in north african operation area.
    The Regia Aeronautica start war with three gruppi CT (caccia terrestre, ground fighter, CM is sea fighter, floatplane fighter) (8°. 10°, 13°) this last was all on CR 42 and other two was on CR 42 and CR 32 (this were in transition for early julliet all on CR 42). A fourth gruppo (9°) CT (always on CR 42) came in midi julliet '40, a fifth (151°. ever on CR 42) in september. For late 1940 (november) became firsts G 50 (a full gruppo (2°) for late december) A sixth CR 42 gruppo (23°) came for midi december. But the 8° and 13° go back in italy (midi december), the 9° back late december and the 10° early february '41, in late february back to home also 23°. In late january '41 came 155° (on G 50) and 18° (on Cr 42). In the spring '41 became the luftwaffe I/JG 27 ( I think on Bf 109E). I don't have info for later time i know that in late '41 came MC 202.
     
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    Are you looking for the entire north african campaign period? I don't have the exact info for each gruppo, but a good idea of the periods.

    Max
     
  3. Vincenzo

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    yes for entire period, and not only for axis. comparison on quantity and quality of fighters axis and allies
     
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    It would be a huge answer....
    The total for Libia on 30 june 1940 was 212 fighters/attack:
    99 CR 42
    58 CR 32
    55 Ba 65
    with 211 Bombers, 89 observation and 7 seaplanes Z 501.
    On 12 /7 9° Gp CT with 33 CR 42 arrived. Cr 32 were modified with underwings bombs to equip part of 50° St. Ass. along with Ba 65.

    On 1st december 1940 5a Squadra had 2° and 4° St. CT (8, 13, 9 and 10 Gp), and 151° Gp.
    2° St was back in Italy on 15 dec., 9° Gp 25 dec. and 10 Gp. 1 february 1941.
    New units were 23° Gp (32 CR.42) from 16 december and 2° Gp (27 G.50) from 2 january 1941.
    In late january the following Gruppi were ready in Italy for Libia:
    155° Gp. (30 G.50)
    18° Gp (30 CR.42)
    157° Gp (34 MC.200)

    On 1 july 1941 5a squadra had the following fighters:
    2°, 20°, 18°, 151° and 155° Gp. CT and 374 and 376 Sqd. CT.

    On 18 november, just before "Crusader":
    Luftwaffe:
    I, II/ JG27 with Bf-109

    III/JG 27 and III/ JG53 from december.
    all with Bf.109

    12° Gp (G.50 or MC 200?)
    3° and 160° Gp (CR.42)
    20° and 155 Gp. (G.50)
    plus Sqd. with CR.42 b.a.

    At the end of 1941 many new units arrived, so 5a squadra had:
    3° and 160° Gp with CR42
    8°, 150° and 157° Gp with Mc200
    1° St. (6°, 17° Gp) with Mc202.
    12° Gp with G.50.
    9° Gp. (MC 202) was there between nov. and dec. only.

    Numbers for 1941:
    february:
    44 CR 42
    20 G. 50
    6 Mc 200
    10 Ju. 87

    october-november:
    86 CR42
    80 G.50
    27 Mc 200
    21 Ju-87


    Max
     
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    Hi Max,

    >On 18 november, just before "Crusader":
    >Luftwaffe:
    >I, II/ JG27 with Bf-109

    Relying on Flugzeugbestand und Bewegungsmeldungen, Jagdverbnde which has data from 03/1942 on ...

    I/JG27 had an average strength of 22 Me 109 fighters from 03/1942 to 05/1943.

    II/JG27 had an average strength of 28 Me 109 fighters from 03/1942 to 05/1943.

    III/JG27 had an average strength of 23 Me 109 fighters from 03/1942 to 05/1943.

    Stab JG27 occasionally had up to a full Schwarm of fighters too, at other times none at all.

    Initially the JG27 aircraft were exclusively Me 109F-4/trop, the first G-2/trop arriving in September, followed later by some G-1, G-4 and G-6 aircraft.

    >III/JG 27 and III/ JG53 from december.
    >all with Bf.109

    Hm, not sure what to make of the III/JG53 record:

    Flugzeugbestand und Bewegungsmeldungen, III./JG53

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  6. Njaco

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    As far as German fighters, 7./JG 26 arrived in mid Feb '41 with 9 Bf 109Es until 18 April '41 when I./JG 27 joined them. III./JG 53 arrived begin of Dec. 41 and then left shortly afterwards.

    May 1942 - 92 Bf 109Fs of I., II., and III./JG 27 and 8 Bf 109Es of the Jabostaffel on hand. III./JG 53 returned to Libya on 20 May '42.
     
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    In june 1940 the british have 32°, 80° and 112° fighter squadrons with Gladiator and Gauntlet
     
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