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All of the Jumo 004's problems had nothing to do with the compressor. The Germans were forced to save alloying additives (nickel, first of all), as a result, the heat resistance of materials for the hot part of the engine was insufficient. The limiting factor was the combustion chambers, the next was the turbine blades - even hollow air-cooled turbine blades did not provide the required material durability. If the Germans had enough skilled workers to produce the hot part of the engine from suitable materials, the reliability of their engines would not differ from that of the British. Under nickel shortage conditions, the Germans could use any type of compressor with exactly the same result. German engineers chose the most promising type of compressor and created quite good engines, as the further development of jet engines showed. The centrifugal compressor was a temporary dead-end solution.No it wasn't, the British engines were more reliable and were demonstrating greater time between overhaul than the German engines, this is well known.
Except it had nothing to do with the compressor.Any report on the Me 262 will tell you that its engines were excessively unreliable.
Jet engines, while requiring very close tolerances and exotic metals, the same can be said about High Inline Vees.It does when your aircraft are grounded because your engines have a time between overhaul of less than a quarter of that of your opposition. A grounded jet fighter with unserviceable engines is as useless as no jet fighter at all.
Jet engines, while requiring very close tolerances and exotic metals, the same can be said about High Inline Vees.
You can't use garbage 1020 steel for the rotating parts, but very good, very strong, expensive alloys, and need high heat resistant alloys for the valves, different alloys for the camshafts rather than just chilled Iron. And balancing all those rotating bits is an art and a science at this time
In comparison, considering what alloys were set aside for reciprocating, could be redirected for the turbines instead.
Jet engines can be build cheaper than inlines, and faster as well.
And at the end of the game, they run on kerosene or low grade gasoline, no high octane fuels needed.
People forget that if an reciprocating engine was run at WEP levels for long, they would need to be pulled apart as well.
So what if an engine has a 20 hour life, when they are cheaper and faster to build?have more spares
All Engines are consumables at the very high HP we are talking about.
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It is surprising to me that in such circumstances a "double HeS30" was not proposed as a higher thrust class engine, convincing officials that such an operation was a simple equivalent of multiple cylinders in piston engines.The HeS30 addressed and improved on the HeS8's issues and was performing reliably by Fall of 1942.
It's development had been delayed several times due to typical infighting, which seemed to be a typical condition within the German aircraft industry, existing at both the design level and with the RLM itself.
There was a lot of experimental engines with integrated turbos and they failed.It is sort of wonder that the US turbos worked as well as they did as there was certainly a lot of room for blaming the other guy.
Small axial compressors lose their aerodynamic efficiency, and the last stages tend to be the smallest ones.Seems many (most?) contemporary turboprop engines tend to have a number of axial stages, followed by a final centrifugal compressor stage.
It is a totally new independent design, having V-1710 at the initial design stage.The P-47 was derived from a TWO SEAT aircraft.
They are just a passing fad.I wonder if they will ever get jet engines to work.
They are just a passing fad.
I am waiting for steam powered aircraft.
Jet engines, while requiring very close tolerances and exotic metals, the same can be said about High Inline Vees.
You can't use garbage 1020 steel for the rotating parts, but very good, very strong, expensive alloys, and need high heat resistant alloys for the valves, different alloys for the camshafts rather than just chilled Iron. And balancing all those rotating bits is an art and a science at this time
In comparison, considering what alloys were set aside for reciprocating, could be redirected for the turbines instead.
Jet engines can be build cheaper than inlines, and faster as well.
And at the end of the game, they run on kerosene or low grade gasoline, no high octane fuels needed.
People forget that if an reciprocating engine was run at WEP levels for long, they would need to be pulled apart as well.
So what if an engine has a 20 hour life, when they are cheaper and faster to build?have more spares
All Engines are consumables at the very high HP we are talking about.
All of the Jumo 004's problems had nothing to do with the compressor.
Firstly, again we are talking about poor quality materials, and secondly, these cases were not a serious problem, unlike the burnout of combustion chambers or turbine blades. That was also caused by poor quality materials and flawed assembly due to low skilled labor. Even the more reliable compressor did not solve the main problem of German jet engines. And problems with the axial compressor were not critical.Rubbish. The compressor blades were made of poor quality metals and flame outs caused by the engines shedding fan blades or blades disintegrating is widely recorded.
TURBINE BLADES!!! Not a word about compressor problems."Both engines were in good condition and I was impressed with the quality of the design right down to the very neat petrol engine starter mounted in the "bullet" [the Riedel starter motor] of the compressor air intake. Both engines were straight through axial compressor designs. I particularly recall the hollow air cooled alloy turbine blades of the Jumo engine, which the manufacturer had to resort to because of the effectiveness of the Allied blockade in preventing supplies of nickel from reaching Germany. The short service life of these low alloy turbine blades may have been one of the factors which led to fires in the Me 262 aircraft."
Not a word about compressor problems.It is interesting to analyse the German engines from a technical standpoint, the Jumo and the BMW were relatively simple in design, which was a virtue in that they did work - the issues that affected them were not necessarily design related, although design compromises were made because of Germany's faltering industry that did affect their reliability. By the standards of 1945 technology, they did have a foot in the past. The Riedel starter motor was one of these. Relying and small piston engines with their own fuel supply for starting means the engines cannot be started in the air and it seems like a bit of a waste of weight. Surely an electric or even cartridge starter, like the British engines would have been a better option. The Riedel was started by a ring pull starter that was done by guys on the ground standing in front of the engines, the rung protruded out of the bullet and had to be pulled to engage the starter for each engine.
Not a word about compressor problems.Another peculiarity was the fuel management of these engines. Thrust and fuel flow was managed manually by the pilot based on instrument readings, which meant the pilot had to keep a keen eye on fuel flow and engine temp gauges to move the power levers and the zwiebel, the variable thrust cone located in the exhaust nozzle, which was driven mechanically by a long shaft that extended aft to the thrust chamber. By 1945 this was relatively simplistic because there were already mechanical and electric fuel control devices fitted to piston engined aircraft, not to mention constant speed propellers, which equated to varying thrust output, rather than controlling the zwiebel, whose operation should have been automatic and keyed into the fuel control system, rather than manually actuated by the pilot.
The Germans had at least two jet engines that were superior to ALL Allied jet engines of the war. Fortunately, the Germans were unlucky and these engines were not brought to the required perfection during the war, although there was every chance to do it.Nevertheless, the German engines were great designs.
Firstly, again we are talking about poor quality materials, and secondly, these cases were not a serious problem, unlike the burnout of combustion chambers or turbine blades. Th at too was caused by poor quality materials and flawed assembly due to low skilled labor. Even the more reliable compressor did not solve the main problem of German jet engines. And problems with the axial compressor were not critical.
TURBINE BLADES!!! Not a word about compressor problems.
Not a word about compressor problems.
The Germans had at least two jet engines that were superior to ALL Allied jet engines of the war.
Fortunately, the Germans were unlucky and these engines were not brought to the required perfection during the war, although there was every chance to do it.
I'm sick of your meaningless verbal drivel. Give me the numbers. The combustion chambers burned out in 15 hours. How many hours before compressor problems started? What was the probability of compressor blade failure in German engines? I'm not interested in generalities, just relevant figures.Problems with the compressor blades were not critical? Are you kidding me? Shedding fan blades is critical, VERY critical. Yes they were a serious problem! Where are you getting this rubbish from!
What was the percentage of engines that failed due to compressor failure rather than burnout of combustion chambers or turbine blades?There were dozens of Me 262s found abandoned at airfields and road sidings around Germany devoid of engines because there were insufficient serviceable ones! Clearly you need to do some more reading and stop living in a fantasy world.
In other words, it was completely meaningless in the context of this discussion.The quote was designed to illustrate what the British thought of the engine in that they were impressed with its quality. I can tell the difference between a turbine and a compressor as I work on gas turbine engined aircraft as a job, but the conceptual design on both are the same since you want to split hairs. like I said in the beginning, my post was not a direct counter to what you said, except the first line.
Try to think before you try to write nonsense again.Ditto, not meant to be. Again, READ!
Stupidity again. The Germans did not need any centrifugal compressors - they had quite reliable axial compressors. AND NO COMPRESSORS WOULD AVOID MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH HEAT-RESISTANT MATERIALS. Is that so hard to understand?Again, rubbish. You live in a dream world. I have just pointed out why they were not superior - they were smart but very much contemporary to what was being developed elsewhere. Britain had already built axial flow engines, the centrifugal engines were faster in development and it was decided to put them into Britain's first jets because of expediency, there was a war on and getting results as quickly as possible was the order of the day in Britain. Had the British had the time they would have also put axial engines into their aircraft, one of the Meteor prototypes had axial flow engines fitted, but the decision was made to put the centrifugal flow engines into mass production first because they were simpler, but of course if you had done some reading you might have known this before you make such silly statements.
So you also don't know the history of German engine development.The Germans were not "unlucky".
Of course, they were "Übermenschen", they never made a mistake and all their failures were planned ones.The Germans were masters of their own destiny.