Greatest single pilot battles

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Bill, sorry if this is stupid, but I remember flying a scenario in a flight sim (CFS or EAW) that had IIRC two P-51s wade into a large force of LW fghters. Would this be one of the actions you previously mentioned?

My vote goes for Werner Voss from WWI.....

Werner Voss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"After shooting down a No. 57 Squadron DH 4 bomber on 23 September, he went out on a further patrol and was engaged by six Royal Aircraft Factory S.E.5s of the elite 56 Squadron. Voss fought a single-handed dogfight against several aces: Capt. James McCudden (57 victories), Lt. Richard Maybery (21), Lt. Geoffrey Hilton Bowman (32), Capt. Reginald Hoidge (28 ), Lt. Arthur Rhys Davids (23). Keith Muspratt (8 ) and Lt V.P. Cronyn, with Lt. Harold A. Hamersley (13) and Lt. Robert L. Chidlaw-Roberts (10) of 60 Squadron. The dogfight developed over Poelkapelle. Another German ace, Karl Menckhoff, attempted to assist Voss but was downed by Rhys-Davids, (though surviving). Voss fought the RFC aces for just 10 minutes, eluding them and achieving hits on SE5. Using the triplane's superior rate of climb and its ability to slip turn (using the rudder to turn quickly), Voss managed to evade his opponents. He was able to turn at high speeds and attack those behind him. After flying past McCudden in a head-on confrontation however, Voss's Fokker was hit with bullets on the starboard side by Hoidge. One round pierced his right side and passed through his lungs. Nearing death, Voss did not see Rhys-Davids approach from the 6 O'clock position, directly behind his tail.

Rhys-Davids got below him and poured two drums of Lewis fire into the underside of the triplane, then attacked again with both guns. The Fokker fell away, stalled and crashed into the British line. McCudden recalled:
Voss crashed near Plum Farm north of Frezenberg in Belgium. Only the rudder, cowling, and parts of the undercarriage were salvaged; the new type of aircraft was the subject of a intelligence report by 2nd Lieutenant G. Barfoot-Saunt.

One of the British pilots he fought that day, then-Captain James McCudden, a recipient of the Victoria Cross and who would become a leading English ace of the war, expressed sincere regret at Voss's death: Lieutenant Arthur Rhys-Davids, who himself would fall in combat just one month later, had said to McCudden,
Voss did much damage to B Flight of 56 Squadron ; Muspratt force-landed at No. 1 Squadron's aerodrome with a bullet in his radiator. Mayberry's SE5 was hit in the upper right hand longeron and badly damaged, force landing at St Marie Cappel. Hamersley and Chidlaw-Roberts' SE5s were badly damaged, whereas Hamersley's machine was eventually sent to No.1 Air Depot for repair. Cronyn's airplane was also damaged, as related in a letter he wrote to his father:

Was one of the first I thought of, but discounted as Voss died. Truely a Great pilot, but maybe showing bad judgement from being tired. If I remember correctly the British pilots said he had several chances to disengage.
 
Was one of the first I thought of, but discounted as Voss died. Truely a Great pilot, but maybe showing bad judgement from being tired. If I remember correctly the British pilots said he had several chances to disengage.

It appears that -generally in life- extremely talented people have problem control their talent, very often talent controls them, with bad results
 
a little known S/E night fighter pilot battled P-51's on occasion while in 6./JG 302. Feldwebel Andreas Hartl on 8 of April 1944 shot down 2 P-51's while taking off from his A/F aka 352nd fg style at Y-29 during Bodenplatte. Andrea's victory's were confirmed by all on the ground and yet he was not given confirmation as on the same date he was shot down and killed in action east of Hannover, shot in his parachute according to witnesses by 4 P-51's. Hartl has 11 kills to his credit and some say he went beyond 13 plus.
 
a little known S/E night fighter pilot battled P-51's on occasion while in 6./JG 302. Feldwebel Andreas Hartl on 8 of April 1944 shot down 2 P-51's while taking off from his A/F aka 352nd fg style at Y-29 during Bodenplatte. Andrea's victory's were confirmed by all on the ground and yet he was not given confirmation as on the same date he was shot down and killed in action east of Hannover, shot in his parachute according to witnesses by 4 P-51's. Hartl has 11 kills to his credit and some say he went beyond 13 plus.

Which airfield?
 
a little known S/E night fighter pilot battled P-51's on occasion while in 6./JG 302. Feldwebel Andreas Hartl on 8 of April 1944 shot down 2 P-51's while taking off from his A/F aka 352nd fg style at Y-29 during Bodenplatte. Andrea's victory's were confirmed by all on the ground and yet he was not given confirmation as on the same date he was shot down and killed in action east of Hannover, shot in his parachute according to witnesses by 4 P-51's. Hartl has 11 kills to his credit and some say he went beyond 13 plus.

Was'nt Bodenplatte on 1 Jan. 1945?
 
Bill : A. Hartl was at a satellite A/F and not at II./JG 302's regular base, ~ Ludwigslust ~ witnesses included a couple members of the future Kmdo Welter.

yes Tom, Boden was 1-145, my comparison was to the Mustangs taking off from Asch and shooting down crates from JG 11.

Hartl's single action and his demise was written up in the Hannover newspaper soon after the engagement we have a copy of this work we are using for a future title.
 
Erich - I did a quick search. Four Mustang groups were on point in the general Brunswick area within about a 50 mile radius for airfield attacks after relief from Escort. The 4th and 354th did not attack airfields after their big battle in the Celle to Gifhorn to Brunswick area. They did lose three to FW 190s. The 355th were in that same fight and let down at Gifhorn - lost Norm Olson to flak hit at Gifhorn and crashed at Celle. The 357th did not hit an airfield but were in the air battle around Brunswick.

The 20th shot up Salzwedel and lost one P-38 to flak at Salzwedel, one to flak at Uelzen and another in a fight with a 109 near Celle.

The Jugs were strafing in Quackenbruck and Trier area to the west, 352nd and 353rd lost P-47s to flak near Quackenbruck, Hoperhofen.

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out where a 110 would make a claim - other than Celle or Salzwedel or Gifhorn - and there were no Mustang losses at any of the airfields. If the credits were P-47s they had to be at a satellite in the Dummer Lake to Trier radius - but MACR cites flak.

The only Mustang lost anywhere on the deck was Olson's and his wingman Ed McNeff is still around. He was with Olson when he got hit pulling away from Gifhorn, and Olson either passed out or perished near Celle when he went into a slow 270 degree turn shallow diving turn and then went in.

Maybe wrong date?
 
Bill

am going to have to re-check the paper article for date with my friend to confirm 100 % the A/F Salzwedel comes to mind which of course would mean a total mis- iD on the US fighter(s) from your indepth information given.

thanks .............. E ~
 

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