Green camo color for the P-40 Flying Tiger.

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  1. [SC] Arachnicus

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    I'm working on a 1:72 scale Academy P-40 Flying Tiger. The academy kit has no real paint recomendations so I searched online for model master colors. Is medium green the right color for camo over the sand base color?
     
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    These real paints for P-40 of the Flying Tigers were colours of DuPont firm.... Curtiss Green 71-013 ( FS 34079 to FS 34092 ) , Dark Brown 71-009/71-065 ( FS 30219 to FS 30118 ) on top and sides. The Curtiss Gray 71-021 ( FS 36463 or FS 36622 that matches better to pictures ) on undersides.

    The green colour ( mix of FS34092 and FS34079 in 2:1 ratio ) - ModelMaster 1764 and ModelMaster 1710 in 2:1 ratio in order to reduce its olive hue.
    For ModelMaster acrylic 4729 and 4726.

    The brown colour ( FS30219) - ModelMaster 1742 or 1735.

    The grey colour ( FS36622 ) - ModelMaster 1733 or 1730 or 1729.

    If you want... please check the site... http://ratomodeling.com/articles/AVG_cammo/
     
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    Okay, I bought the paints based on that site. So I will have to mix the med green and dark drab? I'm not at home to look at the paint numbers.
     
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    If you want to match the colour as close as possible you have to. Which Academy kit do you have?
     
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    I'm not at home to check but it's 1:72 scale.
     
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    This one... ???

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    Yes!!! Thanks for your speedy replies by the way.
     
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    No problem . But the kit is a plastic scrap . I wouldn't recommend it for anyone. The Trumpeter one looks much better.

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    Okay. I will probably get it. I will eventually replace all my planes with better ones once I gain more experience.
     
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    Oh... it is not too necessary. Just the model is the worst P-40 replic I have ever seen. I started it a few years ago and gave it up finally. Now she is waiting for being converted into the H-75.
     
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    Crap. I don't know if I did this right. I went by this...

    41 Dark Olive Drab 45
    Insignia Red
    42
    Medium Green 46
    Insignia White
    43
    Neutral Gray 47
    Insignia Blue
    44
    Black
    48
    Identification Yellow
    49 Sand (included later)


    And none of those are the colors you mentioned
     
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    This is probably why most of us have so many bottles of paint in the box!!!

     
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    Screw it. I'll mix the colors I have to make a green close to what has been mentioned. I'll use sand as the base color, natural grey on the bottom.
     
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    Lord, how many three dollar and fifty cent bottles of paint in the box I will never use!!!!
     
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    Great info Wurger! Thanks for posting!
     
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    I assume the wells under the plane that hold the landing gear are the same grey as the underside? From what the pics I have seen it looks like it.
     
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    #18 Wurger, Jun 15, 2012
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    I see. These mentioned above paints would be correct for the standard camouflage of the early USAAF planes and a little bit late ones as well. But these early P-40s of the AVG were fighter machines for the RAF initially. So their camo scheme had to be the same like the one used in the Europe with the RAF planes. Because the Curtiss factory didn't have these origin RAF paints , they had to use similar ones that matched in tonality as close as possible. As a result the Dupont paints were used that were a little bit different in tonalities from the RAF colours.


    The main problem with paints of different manufacturers is that their names might be a little bit different. Here you are a link to a site with a list of Model Master/Testors colours with their numbers and names... Model Master color chart - Model paint database

    According to that you need... for the mixed green colour the MM1764 - Europan Green and the MM1710 - Dark Green. For the brown ( but not sand ) colour the MM1742 - Dark Tan or the MM1735 - Wood. The grey colour on undersides should be the MM1733 - Camouflage Grey or the MM1730 - Flatt Gull Grey or the MM1729 - Gloss Gull Grey.

    As far as these wheel bays are concerned .... you need the MM1734 Green Zinc Chromate with one or two drops of yellow paint.

    I hope it will help you.
     
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    I have gull flat grey. Perhaps a few drops of brown in the sand? I have various shades go green from my green zero I made. I have green chromate.
     
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    In fact the sand paint is a kind of a "dirty" yellow one and I wouldn't follow this one because the colour was used for a desert camo scheme. You need a paint called red-brown or rust-brown as the base. Generally you need the ModelMaster 1742 paint called Dark Tan. Its sample below. If you don't have the colour or have a problem with purchasing , you can mix some of a red paint with a drop ( maybe two ) of a black one in order to obtain the brown colour. Then add some of a white. Also one drop of yellow might be needed too.

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