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Neither did I. Great bit of info!...
I had no idea that we tried to send B-24's to China in early 1942 or that the B-17's from the PI ended up in the ME.
Same thing for the B-25's from the Doolittle Mission.It was envisioned the B-24s would be part of the AVG remainder, had there been B-24 survivors.
And poisoned the well for everyone else.The 24 B-24's represented a long range bomber force that exceeded the capabilities on anything the RAF had in the Middle east and they were sent to Palestine. On 13 Jun 1942 13 B-24's attacked Ploesti. Clouds prevented them from doing significant harm to the Ploesti oil fields. Five were shot down and others had to make emergency landings. Only four made it back to their destination base, although some of the others were repaired and sent on later.
In addition to the heavy bombers there were the following units deployed to Egypt in summer 1942.Same thing for the B-25's from the Doolittle Mission.
On 23 July 1942 the 48 B-24's of the USAAF 98th Bomb Group arrived in Egypt. Note this all was months before Operation Torch. I have to admit I did not think of US Forces being in Africa until after Torch, but it is obvious they were tipping the scales in the Med theater well before then.
Yes, the book Turning the Tide covers that extensively.In addition to the heavy bombers there were the following units deployed to Egypt in summer 1942.
The B-17s were not from the PI. They were all B-17Es. That model was not in the PI. They were part of the Brereton Detachment that came from India. Some of the B-17Es were previously in Java.The book Turning the Tide describes a bit on the Halverson Provisional Detachment (HALPRO). It originally was a Doolittle raid type of mission that would involve B-24's attacking Japan from China, led by Colonel Henry Halverson. They would journey across the South Atlantic, across Africa and on to India and China. They were in Sudan when the Doolittle Raid occurred, which canceled their mission.
The 24 B-24's represented a long range bomber force that exceeded the capabilities on anything the RAF had in the Middle east and they were sent to Palestine. On 13 Jun 1942 13 B-24's attacked Ploesti. Clouds prevented them from doing significant harm to the Ploesti oil fields. Five were shot down and others had to make emergency landings. Only four made it back to their destination base, although some of the others were repaired and sent on later.
On 16 June 7 of the B-24's attacked the Italian Fleet, which was attempting to intercept a RN convoy but did little damage. The B-24's were then used on night missions to attack the port facilities at Tobruk and Benghazi so to disrupt the supply lines for the Africa Corps, which met with significant success. Rommel blamed his failure to take El Alamein on inadequate supplies.
In July the HALPRO firce was joined by the 9 surviving B-17 that escaped the PI and formed the 1st Provisional Bomb Group. The B-17's and B-24's flew frequent missions to attack Axis shipping as well as the supply ports.
I had no idea that we tried to send B-24's to China in early 1942 or that the B-17's from the PI ended up in the ME.
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That made the Halpro flyers the first US personel to flew combat over Europe.On 13 Jun 1942 13 B-24's attacked Ploesti.
Given the reluctance of Uncle Joe to the Frantic operations, was there any chance for that?I never knew about the raid on Romania on 12/13 June 1942. What a story!
Sevastopol was still holding at that time. If its defences were successful, it would create the opportunity of B-24 raids on Ploesti from Crimea, not Africa.
Good point. However, in 1942, Uncle and his comrades desperately needed Western assistance.Given the reluctance of Uncle Joe to the Frantic operations, was there any chance for that?
Well in Sept 1941 the RAF did send 151 Wing with two Hurricane squadrons to defend Murmansk and train Soviet pilots to fly the Hurricanes then being delivered. Operations Benedict and Strength.Good point. However, in 1942, Uncle and his comrades desperately needed Western assistance.
Could the sense of desperation overcome the suspicions and ideological hostility towards "the capitalists"... who knows.
Very good points both. In the timeframe set byWell in Sept 1941 the RAF did send 151 Wing with two Hurricane squadrons to defend Murmansk and train Soviet pilots to fly the Hurricanes then being delivered. Operations Benedict and Strength.
That was followed in Sept 1942 by Operation Orator, when 2 squadrons of Hampden torpedo bombers were sent there as part of operations to cover convoy PQ18.
Nice picture. When I see one of those, I think "what-if" Malcolm Mclean is born 10-15 years earlier...In July 1941 the British agreed to supply 200 Tomahawk I's to the Soviets, 140 shipped direct from the UK and 60 sent from the Middle East. USAAF officers Hub Zemke and Johnny Alison were sent to help with the assembly of the fighters, test fly them, and instruct the Soviet pilots. They left for the USSR by ship in Augusta 1941. During his test flying Zemke spotted a Dornier 215 and went after it, but it escaped into clouds. They returned to the US after the Pearl Harbor attack.
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