Help to identify some parts from a Ju 88 crashsite

[Freddy]

For some months I have been trying to identify a Ju 88 that crashed, north east of Verona, Italy at the end of 1943. Research carried out on the crash site led to the discovery of many fragments, all of them small in size, which made it possible to understand the type of aircraft and, from the testimonies of eyewitnesses of the time, also the probable period in which it had crashed. The accident had presumably occurred due to a technical failure. At the moment no documentation could be found regarding the loss and the unit to which the plane belonged.
Recently other pieces have been found but I could not understand which part of the aircraft they belonged to and for this I ask for help from the forum members.

1) Data plate with the following data:
Bauart: DBU Berlin;
8-88813 03;
T = 235;
Werk No. 3261;
Hersteller DBU Gerätebau St (illeg) wig.

2) Data plate: (Illeg.) 3(?) - 9508 - C 2
Werk Nr. 202-15962
plus a hexagonal stamp with the inscription BA 745.

3) Aluminum plate with the inscription 88 123-302. 11

4) Chrome-plated button or fastener with the inscription
Zieh am Knopf
D.R.G.M. on the back.
The piece has 4 tabs for attachment, probably to a fabric.

Thanks in advance.

Freddy

 

[Wurger]

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Gerät-Nr. 8-8881 3-03
Hersteller: DBU-Gerätebau, St.Ludwig/ Elsaß

It is probably for a part from a fuel system . It's very likely the ID plate could be a fuel tank flange. Below, a similar data plate in the pic I found via the net just for a such part for Fw 189..

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The inscription "Zieh am Knopf " means "Pull the button" . The " D.R.G.M."abbreviation means " Deutsches Reichs Gebrauchs Musterschutz" - the German Reich Utility Model. The abbreviation was stamped on many German items made from 1891 to 1945. But also it was a watchmaker company as memo serves. So .. because the button is chrome-plated it could be from a clock or any cockpit indicator/ device requiring manual adjusting/reset etc.

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The first line seems to be the Sach.Nr or Gerät-Nr. while the second one is the Werk-Nr. Unfortunately there is no Hersteller name or the Bauart label. Therefore it may be difficult to find the correct device type. Also it seems that there could be the digit "8" or "9" instead of the "3" for the Sach/Gerät-Nr.

Sach-Nr (Gerät-Nr.) 8(9)-9508-C 2
Werk-Nr. 202.15962

 

[Freddy]

Thank you very much, Wurger.
I am truly amazed at the immediate response.
Relating to: Gerät-Nr. 8-8881 3-03 Hersteller: DBU-Gerätebau, St. Ludwig / Elsaß, the St. Ludwig lettering was damaged.
I found other plates with 8-888 on the Internet, also from a Me 262 but no one said to what it was referred.
Among the pieces found there is also a fragment that looks very similar to the flange in your photo but has a cap and bears the word Peilstab (probably "level gauge" or something similar).
Relating to: Sach-Nr (Gerät-Nr.) 8 (9) -9508-C 2 Werk-Nr. 202.15962. I believe you are right, the first number is more likely an 8 or a 9.
As for the button, I would have sworn that it was fixed to a piece of fabric but it could be that it was instead fixed to a rigid support, for example bakelite.
Thank you again for the help.

 

[Wurger]

Thank you very much, Wurger.

As for the button, I would have sworn that it was fixed to a piece of fabric but it could be that it was instead fixed to a rigid support, for example bakelite.
Thank you again for the help.

My pleasure.

Concerning the chrome-plate button..... it also could be fixed to a plate. The knob has the side surface knurled what indicates not only possibility of pulling ( according to the inscription there ) but also rotating. So, the fabric base for attaching of that knob wouldn't be suitable.

Relating to: Gerät-Nr. 8-8881 3-03 Hersteller: DBU-Gerätebau, St. Ludwig / Elsaß, ...
Among the pieces found there is also a fragment that looks very similar to the flange in your photo but has a cap and bears the word Peilstab (probably "level gauge" or something similar).

It would be correct. The German word "Peilstab" can be translated as the bayonet so the level gauge is quite correct. Especially that the firm was making also the fuel pumps for different planes.

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www.deutscheluftwaffe.de

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[grueni62]

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The inscription "Zieh am Knopf " means "Pull the button" . The " D.R.G.M."abbreviation means " Deutsches Reichs Gebrauchs Musterschutz" - the German Reich Utility Model. The abbreviation was stamped on many German items made from 1891 to 1945. But also it was a watchmaker company as memo serves. So .. because the button is chrome-plated it could be from a clock or any cockpit indicator/ device requiring manual adjusting/reset etc.

D.R.G.M. Is simply a sort of patent statement "Gebrauchsmuster" is a lower version of a Patent / protection a functional concept / design or so. It's not a company it simply states that the item is registered there and serves a indicator of a company having the copyright formtest device.

if that inscription was on a watch it also simply indicated the watch to be a registered design or mechanical concept and protected by copyright. I'm not a real watch collector but I know a bit about watches, as far as I know there is no D.R.G.M. company. That would be like a company called "patent pending" although that might be a neat idea

 

[fshort]

Hi all:

Data plate with the following data:
Bauart: DBU Berlin;
8-88813 03;
T = 235;
Werk No. 3261;
Hersteller DBU Gerätebau St (illeg) wig.

Definitely a boost pump or fuel level sender, the T-235 is the length.

Like the others, I'd go with a fuel boost pump...