I need a help with a project

[Dostayer]

Hi i'm new here and I've signed up here after your posts here really helped me (and confused me a little).
I'm currently working on a project, a forum game that accrues in WW2 (starting 1939) that's including all main countries at this war (USA, USSR, Germany, Italy, Japan, British Commonwealth, France, and China).

Now the main problem is that a lot of real life factors are out of the equation (Like reliability, Training, etc) which means that I need to relay mostly on Specifications, and it doesn't says a lot in RL performances, and it gets harder when I'm talking about little more... exotic planes or prototypes.
Which leads me to the point.

I've gathered (after an extensive research) a list of airplanes for all of the states that are in this game (the list is mostly finalized) and what I need is your ranking for these airplanes from strategic point of view, with the ignoring of factors of reliability, training (This will gain a factor in-game, mainly in % of effectiveness), human-made mistakes; all airplanes will be at the same height (medium, unless the player will deiced to change this, and it is also ex. including heavy bombers which will always fly at high attitude).
Note: the game is also including all of the other arms of a regular army (Infantry, tanks, AA cannons, AT cannons, Long range artillery, Navy)
So lets go on to the list (sorted at tiers, mainly because it's a strategy game that will be calculated only by my brain and not a computer):

Tier 1 (Starting Airplanes, 1939/1940):
F4F Wild cat
P-40
Spitfire mk.1
MC.200
Bf-109F (can be upgraded to G)
A6M Zero
Ki-43
I-16
D.520
Fulmar
Hurricane (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
Mosquito (Although it is a bomber, it speed rivals the fighters)
Breguet 693 (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)

Airplanes that didn't made it for tier 1: M.S. 406, F2A, M5A.

Tier 2 (Planes from 1941 onward, ex. including jets):
A7M
N1K2-J
F4U
P-51
P-38
Yak-9
Ki-84
Re.2001
Re.2005
Fw-190 (need the mark that's rival the spitfire at that tier)
Spitfire Mk.IX (I haven't decided yet if it will be the last mark of the spitfire)
SeaFire
Sea hurricane
Il-2 (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
Il-10 (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
P-47 (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
Typhoon (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
Tempest (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)

Tier 3 (Jet Fighters):
Meteor F3
Me-262
Kikka

Didn't made it to tier 3: He 162

Tier 4 (experimental):
Horten Ho 229

Other planes in the game:
Ju-87 Stuka
Hs-129
He-177
He- 111
Ar234
Wellington
Lancaster
Halifax
Ju 390
G4M
G8N
D3A
D4Y
B6N
B5N
Pe-8
Pe-2
Tupelov SB
Amoit 143
B-17
B-24
B-25
B-29
TBD Devastator
TBF Avenger

Thank you for your help
I'm not native speaker English, so I'm apologizing for the grammar.

 

[drgondog]

You really have to be more specific about models and dash numbers. A P-51A with Allison 1710 is a world of difference from a P-51B-15 with a 1650-7 Packard Merlin w/72" (or 75") boost.

An FW 190D-12 is similarly advanced over a FW 190A2..

etc, etc

 

[Dostayer]

OK, so here are the exact models of the aircraft:
Fw-190A-3
Fw-190D-13
P-51A
P-51D
F4F-3
P-40E
A6M5T0M52
N1K2-J
Hurricane Mk.IV
Ki-43-IIb
I-16 Type 24
Fulmar Mk.II
F4U-1
F4U-1D
Yak-9U
Ki-84Ib
Ki-84-Ic
P-38L-LO
Re.2001 Serie III
Re.2005
SeaFire LF Mk III
Sea Hurricane Mk Ib
Il-2M3
Il-10
P-47D
Tempest V
Typhoon Fighter-bomber variant (apparently Mk.Ib)
Meteor F3
Kikka
Horten Ho 229A (V3)
Spitfire Mk I
Spitfire Mk IX
Bf-109F-4
Bf-109G-6

Other bombers in the Game: SM.79, P.108B
Other Planes that didn't made it to the game: Ki-61, Yak-3, Ki-100, Spitfire Mk V
Well I think that's covering it (the different marks will be proposed as upgrades for the earlier marks).

 

[tomo pauk]

Are the planes going to have a list of properties (different values for attack, defense, ammo count, flying range etc), or each model would be represented with a specific number, eg. Spitfire V has 20 'points', while MS-406 has 12 'points'?

 

[davparlr]

Odd assortment of aircraft. Some are prototypes like the Fw-190D-13 and Ho-229 which crashed, but no F4U-4, P-51H, P-47M/N, P-80.

 

[Dostayer]

Are the planes going to have a list of properties (different values for attack, defense, ammo count, flying range etc), or each model would be represented with a specific number, eg. Spitfire V has 20 'points', while MS-406 has 12 'points'?

There is no ammom limit, but there are diffrent parameters: flight range (km), climbe rate (m/s), firepower (Guns and machine-guns in mm), Max Celling (km), Durability(numirical rank), manuverability (numirical rank), and final score (numirical rank).
training will effect on the final score by the next equation: X*(1+the prectange of additional training)*bonuses=result.

 

[tomo pauk]

Then I'll point you to the forum/subforum that has already done most of your work, the planes their armament (also the ground equipment, like tanks, arty, AAA) are covered in detail:

JP

 

[drgondog]

Sorry for the complications - but for example the climb rates for a P-51B-15 after 150 octane fuel reached ETO 8th AF operations (at 72" Hg) were only bested in the P-51 family by the P-51H - and you don't even mention the P-51B. This is THE best performing model to see combat, with less firepower than the D, but same range, faster and more maneuverable.

You might peek at Aceshigh for examples of well thought out variations and performance criteria.
Aircraft and Vehicles

 

[Dostayer]

There is no ammom limit, but there are diffrent parameters: flight range (km), climbe rate (m/s), firepower (Guns and machine-guns in mm), Max Celling (km), Durability(numirical rank), manuverability (numirical rank), and final score (numirical rank).
training will effect on the final score by the next equation: X*(1+the prectange of additional training)*bonuses=result.
Final score will be determinate by all parameters but the flight range.
And for the assortment: the Ho 229 is an experimental end game (and it will cost), and the Fw-190D-13 reached production (D-13/R11), about the F4U-4 Corsair will be added (as an upgrade, like the D-13), H isn't in the time frame (it will added if the game will last after the original date of war ending, which means 13 turns, every turn is 3 month in game time).
The P-47 is designated for ground attack in this game, that is why N/M aren't in game (though I might add the N for escorting the B-29).
The P-80 will be added, and also the Vampire

Sorry for the double post (it logged me out while editing)
And thank you all for proposing these models, I'll change the list accordingly.
And I'll Check the resources, thanks.

The main problem with these resources is mainly because of the prototype of them (and the fact that some weren't widespread Planes, like the Re.2001/5)

 

[Dostayer]

Sorry for the double post but I think that I've didn't explained correctly.
I need the final score in numerical numbers, because it is near impossible to use only "on paper" specification, especially when it comes to maneuverability (and that it's why is also measured in numerical numbers and not in Rad/sec for example, same goes for durability), and it is very difficult near impossible to find comparison with some aircraft (especially the Italian ones).
The reason for me to write parameters is if the player deciding to use the strength of the aircraft for its favor.
The players that will play this aren't nearly as airman.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Comments in BOLD

Tier 1 (Starting Airplanes, 1939/1940):
F4F Wildcat - First saw squadron service in October 1940, combat in December
P-40 No combat service until 1941
Spitfire mk.1
MC.200
Bf-109F (can be upgraded to G) Saw combat service in October 1940, in limited numbers
A6M Zero First saw combat service in August 1940
Ki-43 No service until 1941
I-16
D.520
Fulmar
Hurricane (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
Mosquito (Although it is a bomber, it speed rivals the fighters)No service until 1942
Breguet 693 (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)

Airplanes that didn't made it for tier 1: M.S. 406, F2A, M5A.

Tier 2 (Planes from 1941 onward, ex. including jets):
A7M Only 8 prototype made
N1K2-J
F4U
P-51
P-38
Yak-9
Ki-84
Re.2001
Re.2005 Less than 50 made, less than 20 flew in service
Fw-190 (need the mark that's rival the spitfire at that tier) 109A3/4/5 would be appropriate opponents for the F Mk IX, as well as later LF Mk IX
Spitfire Mk.IX (I haven't decided yet if it will be the last mark of the spitfire)
SeaFire Which mark?
Sea hurricane Given the performance of the other aircraft in this 'tier' this appears a strange choice
Il-2 (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
Il-10 (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
P-47 (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game) Was the dominant USAAF fighter in the ETO in from early 1943 into mid 1944
Typhoon (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
Tempest (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game) Operated as low-medium altitude fighter, not as a fighter/bomber

Tier 3 (Jet Fighters):
Meteor F3
Me-262
Kikka
Why no Ar 234?
Didn't made it to tier 3: He 162

Tier 4 (experimental):
Horten Ho 229

 

[Dostayer]

answers in navy
You Should read my previous comment

Comments in BOLDTier 1 (Starting Airplanes, 1939/1940):
F4F Wildcat - First saw squadron service in October 1940, combat in December Balance Reasons, model is F4F-3
P-40 No combat service until 1941 Production started in 1939 according wiki, also in this tier for balance, model is P-40E
Spitfire mk.1
MC.200
Bf-109F (can be upgraded to G) Saw combat service in October 1940, in limited numbers Noted, maybe will be changed to Bf-109E, the current one is Bf-109F-4, and when upgraded, Bf-109G-6
A6M Zero First saw combat service in August 1940 balance reasons, and due to the fact that the A5M will be replaced by it in 3 turns, model in the game is A6M5 Type 0 Model 52
Ki-43 No service until 1941 noted, will be changed to Ki-27
I-16
D.520
Fulmar mk. II
Hurricane (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)Mk. IV
Mosquito (Although it is a bomber, it speed rivals the fighters)No service until 1942 noted
Breguet 693 (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)

Airplanes that didn't made it for tier 1: M.S. 406, F2A, M5A.

Tier 2 (Planes from 1941 onward, ex. including jets):
A7M Only 8 prototype made Its in the game for balance reasons (The Japanese had only Zeros until 1945 for carrier fighter)
N1K2-J
F4U
P-51 models in use: P-51A, P-51D, P-51B
P-38L
Yak-9U
Ki-84Models: Ki-84Ib and Ki-84-Ic
Re.2001
Re.2005 Less than 50 made, less than 20 flew in service I've taken this airplane after a very tough fight between this to the MC.205, I've choose this one because according to wiki, it has better performances over the MC.205.
Fw-190 (need the mark that's rival the spitfire at that tier) 109A3/4/5 would be appropriate opponents for the F Mk IX, as well as later LF Mk IX Thanks, A-3 and D-13 were taken
Spitfire Mk.IX (I haven't decided yet if it will be the last mark of the spitfire) maybe I'll add mark 21
SeaFire Which mark? LF Mk. III
Sea hurricane Given the performance of the other aircraft in this 'tier' this appears a strange choice I guess it will be moved to Tier 1
Il-2M3 (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
Il-10 (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
P-47D (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game) Was the dominant USAAF fighter in the ETO in from early 1943 into mid 1944 Noted, but for that We have the P-51. Maybe I'll add the P-47N for B-29 escort
Typhoon (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game)
Tempest (Designated mainly for ground attack in the game) Operated as low-medium altitude fighter, not as a fighter/bomber Will change Designation to Long-Range fighter for the British (something they lack at), The Model used is Tempest Mk. V

Tier 3 (Jet Fighters):
Meteor F3
Me-262
Kikka
Why no Ar 234? it's a bomber, it's listed in the list below.
Didn't made it to tier 3: He 162

Tier 4 (experimental):
Horten Ho 229A (V3)

There are many Balance tags in Here, This is right now my greatest problem with the Italians (but i think I've Figured it out)

 

[oldcrowcv63]

Not sure what you mean by "balance." If you mean providing an aircraft with a specific national affiliation during a particular time frame, then I'd suggest exchanging your Tier One (1939-1940) USA products as follows:

P-40 with P-36A/Hawk 75A-1 thru -4. (in use by French in early 1940)
F4F-3 with F2A-1 (or B239 in use by Finland)

Both of these aircraft enjoyed some success where they were employed. (Don't confuse F2A-3 and B339 with earlier more successful Buffaloes)

 

[Dostayer]

By Balance I mean the ability of nations to rival each other, which means that every nation can defeat every nations (so it won't be one sided battles), the most problematic nation at this aspect is Italy (their tanks are just laughable, same goes for the French airplanes with the exception of the D.520, the balance for the French are their tanks, the closets thing to balance for the Italians are their monster AA-AT guns).