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DJ_Dalton1 said:the lancaster kicks ass said:oh this's gonna be good...........
and multi tasking, what kind of a man are you??
Yeah, I agree concentrating well on one thing is the key to life.
Ok, The lancaster sucked for a number of reasons. First off, it lacked a belly turret and when I'm playing flying sims I always zoom up and gut shoot it. Its defenseless from underneath.
Secondly, I don't think its particularly fast so its easy to get multiple passes on it before it gets to target.
I think its got a decent bomb load, but if you hit it jusssssssst right.........KABOOM the whole thing goes up in a really nice pyrotechnics display.
Lets see what else....oh yeah........they had to go night bombing with it because they were getting murdered during the day. I see an escort there in your picture but really can't make it out. It looks more like an Aircobra than a Spitfire to me. Do you know what it is?
Anyway, night bombing resulted in the Luftwaffe's response with Wilde Sau and early one morning the Germans got confused and landed at Manston instead of France I guess and the U.K. got a nice bomber hunter to test and everyone is all confused because of it.
Thats about it.
the lancaster kicks ass said:you're not converted to the religion that is lancasterism are you??
RG_Lunatic said:Udet,
I'd answer that the RAF did poorly against the Luftwaffe' in 1942 for the same reason the Luftwaffe' did poorly against the RAF in 1940 - their planes were not suited to fighting over enemy held territory.
Look at the number of times Luftwaffe' pilots were shot down. It is very common for those pilots who scored large numbers of kills to have been shot down at least once for every 30 or so kills they scored.
When a USAAF pilot, or an RAF pilot after the BoB, got shot down, usually it was over German held territory and they ended up either dead or as a POW. This meant that relatively green pilots replaced them. In combination with tendancy of German units to try to rack up large numbers of kills for a few "experten" in each unit, and the fact that the Germans enjoyed periods of numerical and techinical superiority on each front at the start of the war, also goes a long way toward explaining the difference in kills for German aces vs. Allied aces.
RG_Lunatic said:You seem to totally disregard the fact that the Luftwaffe' had a huge advantage during the early part of the war. Most Luftwaffe experten gained most of their kills on the E. Front, against badly outclassed opponents. By the time they faced roughly equivelant technology, they were very well seasoned vetrans with hundreds of sorties behind them.
The faced pilots who were comparative novices, and when things got relatively even in terms of technology, they fought over their own territory.
Looking at the Allied Aces who got shot down vs. those that didn't is kinda stupid don't you think.
High kill counts of the German Experten are easily explained:
1) They faced inferior opponents early in the war where most of them racked up the majority of their kills.
2) When the quality of the opposition improved, they fought mostly over German held territory or near German held territory, frequently allowing them to be shot down and return to the cockpit where an enemy would be out of the war.
3) The whole squadron was oriented towards racking up the maximum number of kills for the few experten in the unit.
4) Because they enjoyed a huge technical advantage against their foes early in the war, they were generally much more experianced than their opponenents later in the war.
5) They had no system of rotation, they flew until the war ended or they were no longer able to fly. This means that they flew far more sorties than their Allied counterparts, and a much much higher percentage of those sorties were flown as non-rookies. The most dangerous missions for any pilot are their first few combat missions.
and CC i'm impressed, you're not converted to the religion that is lancasterism are you??
Maestro said:You see, Dalton, the Spitfire was not that bad.
DJ_Dalton1 said:Maestro said:You see, Dalton, the Spitfire was not that bad.
No, it wasn't that bad. Pilots couldn't hear the engines of enemy planes so getting surprised was the way most of them went down and thats how the French Ace got that Focke Wulf. It was always bad to get dived upon.
The other story is a little quizzical because the Focke Wulf appears to have turned far too much with the Spitfire even though some of the maneuvers were roll oriented. In the end they were head on which indicates the Spitfire didn't get the turning advantage and that they both were gambling immensely. I think most times the Focke Wulf wins the head on, but its not a move thats gonna result in pilot longevity.