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ok there were no escort carriers in 1940 , the one mention was not commision untill 1941, you can see this on the britsh navy web site on commision ships 1939 too 1945,
Ok, I'll take first crack at this and we can tweek it. I would have two fleets (consider it a Pacific and Atlantic fleet). I picked just from the U.S. arsenal of what was operational in 1940. If we can mix and match, my battleships would be Bismarck class.
Fleet 1 (on the side of the smaller threat)
2 Carriers (1 Yorktown class and 1 Ranger class)
(F4F Wildcats, Dauntless, Devastators)
4 Escort Carriers
3 Battleships (Pennsylvania class)
5 Heavy Cruisers
14 Light Cruisers
38 Destroyers
55 Destroyer Escorts
52 Subs
Plus support ships
I was wondering if this would be a single island nation or one of two or three islands....opinions?
Question could be simply put, is your island nation like Britian or Japan? Both were major naval powers. I am not sure, from the standpoint of Naval or Air Power that it would make much difference (although it would make a difference from the point of domestic economic travel and potential invasions from outside powers).
On another note, I was kicking around the ship totals and looks of the opponents battlefleets (your spies hard at it) and I something came to mind that would be a BIG problem.
The notes stated our Battleships are of the Pa class. Top speed on them is 21 Knots (or as Freebird pointed out S-L-O-W). The pics of the Battleships show all looked more modern that the Pa class. As a consequence, they could pick when and where they wanted to fight our BBs or, even worse, decide not to fight them at all.
This creates a big problem for us.
If they decide when and how they want to fight, we have a situation similar to Tsushima. Get ahead of our ships and cross the "T" (with a little luck and decent scouting).
If they decide not to fight and run away from our fleet, we have BBs loose on our lines of communications, that could shoot to pieces anything we send after it. In short, what it can't outrun, it can outshoot. .
ok lucky, freebird the argus was not a escort carrier it was a fully commison ship in 1918 it was britian first carriers , we were talking about jeep carrier, you know the ww2 verson, but in no way can the argus compare too the jeep carriers of ww2,
were trying too make this simple, and plus it was really a experimental type , so for the thread game were saying nope ok , but come on can you really think it was a escort carrier ???? and if that was the case we could use the us langly too but would you want these types of ships in your 1940 fleet ?
How about this, neither of "our" countries took part in WWI, so I don't think that we have to respect the treaty limits.... Although, things beyond our control make it so we cant build ships larger than 45.000 ton...fully loaded.
We don't know though, if our neighbours have the same problem....
Freebird, check the first page of the post and you'll see we covered the substance of the fleet at that point. That is where the PAs come in. No BCs were on the list. Nice addition though.
See you point and agree a defensive posture would work with a slower BB. Convoy escort is a good example.
Have to see what other oddities Lucky comes up with to confuse us. So far, he's done a pretty good job.
What exactly are you thinking Timshatz? I'm getting ready for nightshift, but since it's weekend and I have nothing planned we can work out a few more things....Freebird, Thor took a shot at the early parameters and I was going by them as my standard. Here they are:
Fleet 1 (on the side of the smaller threat)
3 Carriers (1 Yorktown class and 2 Ranger class)
(F4F Wildcats, Dauntless, Devastators)
7 Escort Carriers
3 Battleships (Pennsylvania or Bismarck class)
7 Heavy Cruisers
19 Light Cruisers
48 Destroyers
62 Subs
Plus support ships
Fleet 2 (on the side of the larger threat)
4 Carriers (2 Yorktown class and 2 Ranger class)
(F4F Wildcats, Dauntless, Devastators)
5 Escort Carriers
4 Battleships (Pennsylvania or Bismarck class)
7 Heavy Cruisers
18 Light Cruisers
60 Destroyers
85 Subs
Plus support ships
Airforce
400 P-40 Warhawks
150 Buffalos
300 B-17's
60 PBY Catalina's
200 DC-3
100 Stearmans
As Lucky didn't shoot them down (and it's his thread), I was still going with them. Hence the Pa class BB. However, if we're going to tank Thors initial standards, then we'll probably have to take it from the top and Lucky is going to have to give us a list of ships, places, ect.