Japan unveils largest warship since WWII

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  1. Thorlifter

    Thorlifter Well-Known Member

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    A flat top destroyer????? Who do they think they are kidding?

    Japan Unveils Largest Warship Since World War II - ABC News

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    Japan on Tuesday unveiled its biggest warship since World War II, a huge flat-top destroyer that has raised eyebrows in China and elsewhere because it bears a strong resemblance to a conventional aircraft carrier.

    The ship, which has a flight deck that is nearly 250 meters (820 feet) long, is designed to carry up to 14 helicopters. Japanese officials say it will be used in national defense — particularly in anti-submarine warfare and border-area surveillance missions — and to bolster the nation's ability to transport personnel and supplies in response to large-scale natural disasters, like the devastating earthquake and tsunami in 2011.

    Though the ship — dubbed "Izumo" — has been in the works since 2009, its unveiling comes as Japan and China are locked in a dispute over several small islands located between southern Japan and Taiwan. For months, ships from both countries have been conducting patrols around the isles, called the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyutai in China.

    The tensions over the islands, along with China's heavy spending on defense and military modernization, have heightened calls in Japan for beefed-up naval and air forces. China recently began operating an aircraft carrier that it refurbished after purchasing from Russia, and is reportedly moving forward with the construction of another that is domestically built.

    Japan, China and Taiwan all claim the islands.

    Though technically a destroyer, some experts believe the new Japanese ship could potentially be used in the future to launch fighter jets or other aircraft that have the ability to take off vertically. That would be a departure for Japan, which has one of the best equipped and best trained naval forces in the Pacific but which has not sought to build aircraft carriers of its own because of constitutional restrictions that limit its military forces to a defensive role.

    Japan says it has no plans to use the ship in that manner.

    The Izumo does not have catapults for launching fighters, nor does it have a "ski-jump" ramp on its flight deck for fixed-wing aircraft launches.
     
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    Very cool! I wish they would have shown a pic of the top.
     
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    #3 Matt308, Aug 6, 2013
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    And the Yamato was a fast frigate.
     
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    #4 razor1uk, Aug 6, 2013
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    I think the US/Pentagon would have to have okayed this privately, possibly even helped subsidise it in some way.
    With the contining Chinese forces modernisation and them having the Kiev Carrier with allegedly their own idigenous carriers in the pipeline, this isn't a surprise at all if I am/your honest.
     
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    Japan spends a very small fraction of its national income on defense; iirc, only about 1% of GDP. I also suspect that, for a number of reasons, Japan wants to keep a non-aggressive profile: Korea (both North and South), China, and Taiwan have outstanding grievances against Japan. Get too aggressive, like some of the most nationalist of Japan's ideologues (these are the people who killed authors for mentioning the Rape of Nanking in a Japanese history book) want and there is a significant chance that these countries would get much closer together (and, from what I've read from ROC sources, there is much less worry about a PRC takeover of ROC in Taipei than there is in, say, the Heritage Foundation).
     
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    All other facts aside...is that the Imperial Japanese war flag I see next to the national flag on the bow of the "destroyer"?
     
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    #7 razor1uk, Aug 6, 2013
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    Sort of yes, if you follow the propagandised allied idea that its their flag of all the (ex)imperial empire's forces... its AFAIK, their naval/maritime defence flag, not a 'war only' flag - the modern 'army' aka the ground denfence forces have a flag of different design with roughly half the number of sun rays, also the army one is more angular at the end of each 'ray'.

    I think the naval flag no longer has 18 rays corresponding to the 18 points of the royal chrysanthemum (spelling), I believe its 16 now, and 8 for the army flag.

    Don't most nations forces have differing flags for their militaries maritime/waterway-forces, landforces and airforces?
     
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    That flag design used to be illegal in Japan much like the National Socialist flag is illegal in Germany.

    I wasn't aware that Japan used that as a Naval Ensign, I've always seen the standard flag (plain white with red sun centered)
     
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    While certainly the US was aware of this vessel, I highly doubt that the US was consulted for "approval". Rather, I would suspect that behind the scenes the US was supporting same. Especially given the F-35 development.
     
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    I suspect the only US lobbying was to try to maximize the number of dollars that went to US defense contractors.
     
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    I doubt seriously that many U.S. defense contractors were involved in this project. The Japanese are right up there in the big leagues as far as manufacturing/hardware is concerned.
     
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    Agreed. Not everything is a fricken conspiracy.
     
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    Yes, to the point that the US has to rely on Japan for many electronic components.
     
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    The flag with the off center sun and rays was the Imperial Japanese Navy flag, when it was a on center sun, with the rays, it's the IJA, the white flag with red sun is the national flag.
    The old IJN flag was re-legalized about 20 years ago. I don't know if that's true about the old IJA flag also.
     
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    Clearly it's a helicopter carrier, but with the Japanese Self Defence Force not being able to acquire 'aircraft carriers' the name has been changed - just like the Brits did with the Invincible Class Harrier carriers, these were called 'through-deck cruisers' to get funding from the Treasury for their construction.
     
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    Battleship Yamato
    Length 263m
    Width 38.9m

    DDH Izumo
    Length 248m
    Width 38m

    My frank impression as a Japanese is that Japan has totally recovered from the last war damage at last.
    It's a matter of honor as an independent country.
    I never mean it another war will come again.
    There were many precious lessons in the past.
     
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    I can imagine the sense of pride Japan would have with this new ship. I feel the same way standing next to a battleship or aircraft carrier, or heck, even an airplane. From the one picture that is shown, it's a beautiful vessel.
     
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    I agree it's a beautiful vessel and looks functional even as a cargo ship too.
    Frankly, I did not know the news till you, Thor, introduced it :lol:
    Thank you very much!
     
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    She does have some nice graceful lines from that pictured angle...
     
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    wonder what the displacement is
     
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