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Does anyone have any information or pictures of the Ju 288 armed with the Bordkanone 5?:
Ju 288 armed with the Bordkanone
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What is the source of the text?
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Warplanes of the Third Reich by William Green page 503
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The B.K5 armed Ju288 did not have a designation, as they were fitted to the last of the late war prototypes around summer/fall of 1944.
I don't recall ever seeing any photos of a cannon armed Ju288, but I believe that it was V106 (BS+CA), V107 (BS+CB) and V108 (BS+CC) which were fitted with the cannon similar to the 50mm cannon armed He177A-3s.
I don't recall ever seeing any photos of a cannon armed Ju288, but I believe that it was V106 (BS+CA), V107 (BS+CB) and V108 (BS+CC) which were fitted with the cannon similar to the 50mm cannon armed He177A-3s.
Unfortunately, stuff written in the books by William Green is many times not corroborated with either the 21st century books, nor by the German books dealing with the same stuff.
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Yes. But. Not stranger then a 3cm 30mm MK101 gondola He177V-12.
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'A proposed close support type' powered by 2200 HP BMW 801 engines? Two 30mm added for a good measure?
Then we have a 'shooped picture of the supposed 288E in the 1st post, where Green say there was no such 288. 'Said to have been put into action' - in the words of US attorneys, a hearsay.
Finally, someone says that 75mm gun was actually used.
Is there a footonote that confirms the claims? Something that looks like one of these:
Then we have a 'shooped picture of the supposed 288E in the 1st post, where Green say there was no such 288. 'Said to have been put into action' - in the words of US attorneys, a hearsay.
Finally, someone says that 75mm gun was actually used.
Is there a footonote that confirms the claims? Something that looks like one of these:
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Note in the unsourced paragraph above, where it states that the Ju288E variant was "proposed"?
The Germans proposed alot of things, but just because it's proposed on paper, does not mean it was built.
The Germans proposed alot of things, but just because it's proposed on paper, does not mean it was built.
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Not according to the "Dark Skies" YT channel.
The inspiration for Professor Propwash.
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Or the Warthunder forums.
If there was even a sketch of a wunderwaffe idea on a napkin, they'll swear on a stack of bibles it existed...
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Too many publications make mention of it. That is why I am asking for more information on here as well as on other forums:
Junkers Ju 288 Projects & Prototypes
Hi, here is the drawings of the Junkers Ju-288 with Jumo 222 and Jumo 223 engines. http://www.flugzeug-lorenz.de/fileadmin/user_upload/PDF-Junkersbuch/Junkers_166-171.pdf
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The initial photo in the OP was from here:
Post by Elo Stoun
Вот еще один загадочный самолет Junkers. На (вероятно, отретушированном) снимке из Германии 1950-х годов изображен Ju 288 E с тяжелым вооружением в качестве истребителя танков. По словам британского автора Уильяма Грина, 17 из 22 прототипов Ju 288 были потеряны в результате аварий. Затем...
No idea as I used google books with the terms Ju288 + BK 5 and additionally a nice website featuring "free" books
More book excerpts (3 in German):
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Notice how a majority of the quoted pages clearly state "planned"?
The BK.5 was actually installed and tested on a Me262A1-a/U4, but was never used operationally.
This was far more than happened with the Ju288.
The BK.5 was actually installed and tested on a Me262A1-a/U4, but was never used operationally.
This was far more than happened with the Ju288.
Thank you for the effort to find and post the excerpts.
As you can read in the excerpts, they don't agree with each other - some say that 5cm gun was planned, other say it was actually installed. There seems not to be a footnote that lists an actual document that can prove that the big gun was installed. Nomenclature is not consistent (was that the E version, or was it planned for the E version, or was it just an armed-up leftover prototype?). Some sources mention the 75mm gun, other say that 30mm were also planned for the 50mm version.
Is that an actual photo, or the doctored drawing combining the front part and gun from the Ju 88 with the rest being from the Ju 288?
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No idea. According to google translate:
Additionally, according to Luftfahrt International 1981-03:
So this means Werknummer 310153, 310154, 310155, & 310156 are the relevant aircraft and documentation/images of them should be aquired if possible
On the contrary. Out of the twelve excerpts posted up above, so far only a total of two of them state 'Planned' with an additional one stating 'Proposed'. 3/12
Note the 1st row when it says '(likely retouched) photo'.
The '(likely retouched) photo' shows the BMW-powered aircraft. The Ju 288C were powered by the DB 610 engines.
Also note the much shorter nose on the 'photo' than what the 288s actually had.
Here is my final take on this: Perhaps, just perhaps there was an attempt on the Ju 288 to be converted into a tank-buster. We have no definitive proof that it was the case, and the 'photo' does the opposite than proving that such Ju 288 existed. Sources disagree on nomenclature. SoI'd say that such Ju 288 probably never existed as an actual, flying aircraft.
I'm okay if you disagree with what I've wrote above.
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The Ju 288 was supposed to be powered by the Jumo 222, but on some Versuchs aircraft, the BMW 801 A, C, or G was used instead. In addition, Werknummer 288010 was equipped with the BMW 801 J. Now if the supposed "Ju 288 E" were modified for combat service, there is a good possibility that the massive liquid-cooled DB 610 A/B was seen as 'overly excessive' for a stripped down, low flying aircraft devoid of bombs, bombing equipment, some fuel tankage, defensive armament, & crew primarily intended to be flown near ground level against armored vehicles & small arms fire. Why would it need a super engine? A smaller, less vulnerable air-cooled engine would make better sense, & as one of the excerpts above claim a BMW of 2,200 hp, then this could mean that the "288 E" was equipped with a BMW 801 E, F, or S + MW 50
Sure, the nose is most likely Ju 88 P components as mentioned in one of the excerpts above. It is probably 'shorter' for CG reasons as well as to avoid any muzzle blast damage to the nose from the BK 5
I know. That is exactly why I am here asking for more pictures or information specifically on aircraft 310153, 310154, 310155, & 310156
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I get it, you're hoping to discover a secret weapon the Germans unleashed on the Allies, but it's not going to happen.
The Ju288 was big, like B-17 big. That is not going to be an effective ground attack platform in any sense of the word.
To add to that, the Luftwaffe already had ground attack aircraft that were far superior, such as the Fw190F, Hs129B, Bf110G, Fw190G, Ju88C, Me410A and even the Ju87G-2 in a pinch.
The planned modification of the Ju288 to use a BK.5 in any quantity was a last ditch effort, as anything that large attempted to attack ground positions would have almost zero chances of survival not only from ground fire, but from enemy fighters swarming all over it.
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