Lockheed Hudson gunsight - true?

[RichardSuhkoi]

Here is a gunsight with a short backstory. Alleged to have been recovered right after crash in 1941 of a Lockheed Hudson in Goose Bay Labrador in 1941 (ferry command?). It is about 5 3/4" tall. Very well made (not from an arcade game I think). Does anyone know of a gun on any Hudson that used such a sight? Seems to have a detention ball.

 

[mjfur]

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/eo/photo/historical-programs/hudson/hudson-lead.jpg

 

[GrauGeist]

The Hudson Mk.I had two fixed foreward .303 Brownings in the nose.

It may have been the sight for the Pilot's position.

 

[cvairwerks]

Don't forget that the 3's and 3A's had a retractable dorsal gun....

 

[special ed]

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/eo/photo/historical-programs/hudson/hudson-lead.jpg

It appears to be visible just in front of pilot's wind shield.

 

[RichardSuhkoi]

It appears to be visible just in front of pilot's wind shield.

Wow! There it is!

 

[RichardSuhkoi]

Now that it appears to in fact be correct for a Hudson, do records exist for crashes in Goose Bay 1941?
Also, I wonder if a Museum might need this to complete a display aircraft? Does anyone know of such a need or are these sights common?

 

[VERSUCH]

Fold down for use......

source the Net

 

[RichardSuhkoi]

Fold down for use......

source the Net

What a great photo! So it seems they might have placed one out on the cowl and another in the cockpit so pilot would align them concentrically?

 

[mjfur]

There were two different type sites used. One with the ring on the outside of the aircraft Post #2 and one with the ring on the inside/bead outside Post #8.

 

[Admiral Beez]

The Hudson Mk.I had two fixed foreward .303 Brownings in the nose.

Don't forget that the 3's and 3A's had a retractable dorsal gun....

Nice. Were the Hudsons used in Malaya thus armed?

I wonder what the most powerfully armed Lockheed Hudson was. Two fixed .303 in the nose, another two .303 in mgs in the dorsal turret, and perhaps beam gunners? Now just add eight underwing rockets and we're all set. Too bad the torpedo option was not pursued - though I don't see how without major changes to the lower fuselage and undercarriage.

Lockheed Hudson - World War Two warhorse

It may have originated from a pre-war design, but the Lockheed Hudson went on to become one of the most versatile – and overlooked – aircraft of World War Two. Steve Beebee tells its story

www.key.aero

The British were clearly impressed with Lockheed's concept, but asked for several changes, all of which were swiftly implemented. Johnson later recalled that further redesign work was carried out in England: "In a period of 80 hours, working alone, I was required to revise our proposal to incorporate English armament such as turrets, torpedoes, mines, bombs and forward-firing guns."

 

[RichardSuhkoi]

There were two different type sites used. One with the ring on the outside of the aircraft Post #2 and one with the ring on the inside/bead outside Post #8.

Ah, so one version had the concentric ring type sight on cowl other had it in cockpit and with a bead sight outside?
Here are more photos. You can see the rings are CCW a bit to the mount pivot axis

 

[RichardSuhkoi]

I found a Hudson restoration project "National Air Force Museum of Canada (NAFMC), in association with the Atlantic Canada Aviation Museum (ACAM) in Halifax, and with the assistance and generosity of the Reynolds Museum Ltd., is restoring a 1942 Mark VI Lockheed Hudson, Serial Number FK466."
I've offered the sight to them. The photo on their site seems to show a bead on the cowl.

 

[Gunsights]

It is the flip-down sight that attached above the windscreen.