meatloaf109
1st Lieutenant
There may be a lack of "fibre" in their diet.
Just sayin'
Just sayin'
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No, you got a Zeppelin, fer christ sakes!
Perhaps its just uberassen.
I've noticed a bit of a trend; the 'Luftwaffe Uber Alles' guys are the ones who seem to come out with the most amount of drivel and end up getting censured more often than any other 'group'. Is this actually the case, or is this because on the threads that I frequent there are more of them?
Hard to say which is better out of the P-80 or Me 262. What is the question; which was the best or which is our favourite? With its swept wings and axial flow engines, the Me 262 had advances a plenty, but was unreliable. One thing of interest is that the P-80 did what the 262 could on only one engine, it was more conventional in layout and appearance, but this did not detract from its potential.
There may be a lack of "fibre" in their diet.
Just sayin'
P80A flighttestdata from USAAF trials conducted 1946 and 1947. I excluded trial data for specially prepared high speed aircraft with shallow canopy and clipped wings, which would not be employed in operational fighters. Specially treated surface trial testdata are included and represent the fastest A/C in these trials. Turbine thrust output seems to have been differed significantly between individual engines.
The mean curve in black is representative for an average P-80A, the thinner curves represent poor or very good performing airplanes.
Below attached the Me-262a average speed curve, representative for A/C produced 1944.
These testdata are the mean curve of a rather scattered cloud of points from a total of 125 serially produced Me-262a1 acceptance speed tests. The corresponding curve shows somehow comparable A/C with regard to average top speed. The P-80 holds a slight advantage at Sea Level while the -262A holds an advantage in medium and high altitude. The differences in speed are not as large as differences between individual A/C, thus no conclusive statement can be drawn which A/C is faster.
enjoi.
Especially the Vampire. Quite a machine from what I know.
I was thinking about this thread (it's real purpose) and thought maybe that the early Meteor marks and Vampire could be included for interest's sake?
And they are all wrong, you know Spitfire squadron 322 together with the 1st JaVA won the war singlehandedly. All the rest was just a sideshow....I think you just take notice of these guys more than the others. There are just as many guys who think anything that had RAF roundels or the words Spitfire in it were the greatest things since bread and butter, and nothing made by anyone else could touch it. There are just the same for the USA fans. They are the lot that think that without the US the world was lost, and that all US made aircraft were miracles of superiority over anything.
As far as the time-worn "Me262 versus the P-80" showdown, both machines were very closely matched and so it would have most likely come down to which pilot was better or who ran out of fuel first...