My BF-109

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  1. ccheese

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    Wurger: I've attached a copy of the plans. I think you can see the canopy
    and the spinner better. The spinner is kind of blunt, with a hole in the center
    for a cannon.

    Charles
     

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  2. ccheese

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    I'm starting a new thread over here for all who are interested. Here's where
    we are.... one side and the elevator and rudder are done. I will do the other
    side of the fuselage tonight, and cover the tail ass'y.

    Charles
     

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    Hallo Charles,

    THX for the pic.Undoubtedly early Bf 109,probably B/C/D or E3.But there is a lack of some typical elements for the E3 version.Could you show me the air intake of the oil cooler under the nose?
    OK.I'm looking for a camo patterns for both marks.
    :D
     
  4. ccheese

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    Wurger: I enlarged a portion of the fuselage so you can see the air intake
    just under the nose. Also there is a radiator just in front of the landing gear
    (on the fuselage). Maybe this will help.

    Charles
     

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    Ah sorry Charles,it was my mistake.Could you show me how the plastic cap of the nose looks.Why I ask you for this.The Bf109 B/C and D had a different power plant than BF 109E.The most visible differences were at the nose area.There I've uploaded two pics in that you can see this.Besides I've posted a pic of Bf 109 fin and rudder because you have to correct the top of the fin where was the mount for a radio-set antnna wire.
    Source unknown:

    No.1 Bf 109C1
    No.2 Bf 109E3
    No.3 Bf 109 tail
     

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    Wurger: The nose section of the bf109 looks like the top picture. But... my
    plane has the "bump" just above the exhaust stacks.... Like on the 2nd pic.
    The antenna lead, on the rudder in your pic, is just like mine. Mine also has
    the elevator support strut and it angles forward and connects at the tail
    wheel.

    Charles
     
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    Ah yes,the "bump".You meant the element above the exhaust pipes on right didn't you.If yes, the E3 and later ones had there an air intake of the super-charger.The early version had a bit different one on the another side of the fuselage.
    What is more the Bf 109B/C/D had two-blade props and E3 and later ones three-blade propellers.
     
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    Wurger: So I've got a BF-109E3 ?

    Charles
     
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    I think yes,but you can consider building of B/C/D marks.What can make the model more similar to real Bf109.And the ineresting cammo patterns of early BF109s also we can find.For instance from September campaign in 1939.

    the early Bf 109s features: a two-blade prop, lack of cooler under rear part of wings,less "bumps" on fuselage and wings.But which one of these you will choose it's up to you.:D

    BTW A very nice Avatar you have:)
     
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    I'm with Wurger looks like a C version.
     
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    I wouldn't have a clue, but am looking forward to seeing the finished product Charles :)
     
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    Wurger: Let's go with a C version.... two bladed prop. I'll see if I can find
    some photos of a BF-109C. Maybe you can come up with a camo pattern
    and a 109 ace's personal colors.


    Attached is a C model

    Charles
     

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    Hallo Ccheese,

    The early marks of Bf 109 were very similar one to another.The differences were : equipment,armament,engine,propeller,lenght of slots and some other small things.So if you want you can make any of them.I've uploaded some of examples of camo patterns used with the B/C/D versions of Bf 109.

    BTW Your uploaded pic showes the Bf 109D not C


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    Wurger: I will have to look at the plans and the nose piece of the model to
    be sure of what i can do. Thanks for the pic's, they're all good (except the
    shark mouth). I like the white 12.... What model is it ?

    Which one do you like ?

    The pic I uploaded said it was a C model..... hey, what do I know ?

    TNX...

    Charles
     
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    Hallo Ccheese,

    Why isn't the Bf with a shark mouth good? I think the bird looks very interesting.In early period of usage these Bfs it wasn't very popular to paint a such "art" on German planes.But you are right there are other interesting ones.For intance this one.The Bf 109D1 was flown by Mjr.Hannes Gentzen.He was a Gruppen Kommandeur of JGr102.During The Polish Campaign in 1939 he claimed seven Polish aircraft shot down.As I know he contended for being the first Luftwaffe ace.The profile showes his a/c but I think it is a bit incorrect.THe camo pattern should be a Luftwaffe standard camo with RLM 70/71/65 colours.But there it is painted with RLM 70/65 only.The camo could be the earlier one which had been used before the September campaign started in 1939.Also the unit emblem has an incorrect colour of the background.It should be rather light blue than light grey.And the chevron of the Gruppen Kommandeur should be painted with much more thin lines.

    Which one do I like? To be honest all but I like the red strip with white circle and swastic inside of this on a tail.Therefore the first one is one of my favourite early Bf 109s.:D Also the "Red 2" looks nice.

    PS. The "White 12" was Bf 109D-1 of IV./JG132 Richthofen used in 1938,standard camo pattern RLM70/71/65.
     

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    Wurger: Do you have a three view of the BF-109D1 shown above ? Or a
    three view of any 109D's ?

    Charles
     
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    Can you put a 3 blade prop on your model and make it an E model. They looked so much better than the earlier ones.
     
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    Chris: I'm not sure.... I fabricated a three bladed one for the FW-190, I
    guess I could do it again. My problem is making the model into an E model.
    I have a pre-case plastic nose piece and radiator intake. I will check with
    the pic's Wurger put up, against what I have and go from there.

    Charles
     
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    Hi,
    There is another Bf 109B-2 of 6./JG133 in winter 1938/39.The profile can be also a bit incorrect with the camo.I've found in an another book about Bf 109 that the a/c was painted with RLM70 and RLM65 only.Meanwhile in the profile we can see the three-colour pattern RLM70/71/65.Taking the data into consideration it is possible the plane wore the later pattern of Luftwaffe camouflage.But it also looks interesting.
    Additionally I include the three-view pattern of the later camo used for all Bf 109B/C/D.

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    Wurger others:

    The fuselage is done, except for sanding and covering. The nose piece is just
    sitting on it for effect. I will sand and start to cover tomorrow.

    Charles
     

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