Nazi themed opera scandal in Germany

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  1. Thorlifter

    Thorlifter Well-Known Member

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    BERLIN (AP) — A modern production of Richard Wagner's opera "Tannhauser" is causing a stir in Germany because of Nazi-themed scenes showing people dying in gas chambers and members of a family having their heads shaved before being executed.

    A spokeswoman for the Dusseldorf opera house said Tuesday that members of the audience "booed and were shocked" by Saturday's opening performance.

    Monika Doll said the company of Deutsche Oper am Rhein is debating whether to tone down the provocative parts, added to the original by producer Burkhard Kosminski.

    "Members of the audience booed and banged the doors when they left the opera house in protest before the end of the show," the head of the city's Jewish community told The Associated Press on Tuesday. Michael Szentei-Heise called the adaptation at the city's Deutsche Oper am Rhein "tasteless and not legitimate."

    The director, Christoph Meyer, said in a statement that the opera company never wanted to hurt the feelings of the viewers. "This is not about mocking the victims, but mourning them," Meyer said.

    At the opening of the Duesseldorf performance, performers could be seen inside glass chambers, falling to the floor as white fog flowed — an allusion to the mass killings of the Jews in the Nazis' death camps. After a half hour, the music stopped and a family stepped on stage. The parents and their children were having their hair shaved off and then they are shot dead — another reference to treatment of Jewish captives during the Holocaust.

    The original Tannhauser opera is set in the Middle Ages and was first performed in Dresden in 1845. It is based on a traditional ballad about the bard Tannhauser and features a singing contest at the Wartburg Castle in south-central Germany.

    Szentei-Heise, the Jewish community leader, objected to the inclusion of scenes reminiscent of the Holocaust, which occurred nearly a century after the opera was first performed.

    "This opera has nothing to do with the Holocaust," Szentei-Heise said. "However, I think the audience has made this very clear to the opera and the producer."

    Wagner, an ardent anti-Semite, remains a controversial figure in Germany and elsewhere nearly 130 years after his death. Adolf Hitler was an admirer, and playing Wagner's music is still considered a taboo in Israel.
     
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    'At the opening of the Duesseldorf performance, performers could be seen inside glass chambers, falling to the floor as white fog flowed — an allusion to the mass killings of the Jews in the Nazis' death camps. After a half hour, the music stopped and a family stepped on stage. The parents and their children were having their hair shaved off and then they are shot dead — another reference to treatment of Jewish captives during the Holocaust.'

    At the very best this 'show' is insenstive and offensive.
    Art for Arts sake?
    I should coca
     
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    Seems like a strange thing to add to an old opera.
    Were they trying to apologize somehow, or update it perhaps? I don't know much about opera or the facination with it.
     
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    that's not art for arts sake....its a political statement shrouded under the guise of art. but i still believe in freedom of speach....so they can perform as they wish. i, however will not be buying tickets to it anytime soon....or at all. i also believe in the right to protest so if those offended wish to gather peacefully and voice their point of view....so be it.
     
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    Of course BS,
    I still think its a crass thing to do and unbelievable in Germany of all places.
     
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    Believe me, it wont fly over to well in Germany.
     
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    But what was the motivation? I can't believe it was to incite. A misplaced placation of guilt? A ham-handed effort, perhaps,
    but surely it could not have been to trivialize, or even, make light of!
     
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    i didnt say it wasnt crass...in total bad taste...lacked all sense of class and dignity. as much as i hate it people have the absolute right to be total, unadulterated @$$#oles.....but maybe not in germany.
     
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    It was not a government sponsered opera. It was a private undertaking.

    I think they just didn't reslize how the audience would find it so tasteless.
     
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    I don't know how you could think anyone, except maybe the Arian Nation, would find this acceptable.
     
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    I don't think that it is acceptable, I was just asking about possible motives.
    The human condition is a constant source of education for me.
    I spent a great deal of my life traveling the United States as a truckdriver. I would frequent many places and I made friends in those places that I got to the most. I was in the unique possition of being familiar enough with these people that they were comfortable to share their day-to-day dealings in their inner circle, but distanced enough to be an objective observer.
    I only ask the questions, it is the answers that reveal.
     
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    To be clear, I wasn't commenting about anyone here. I meant the people that put this stupid thing on.
     
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    No problems, I am curious also.
     
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    With TL... what were they thinking???
    Respect for the victims in the appropriate places is one thing, but deliberately bringing the subject up like this is just plain stupidity, especially in Germany.

    Wondering the motives - Pro Wagner being anti-Semite? Anti-Wagner being anti-Semite?
    Does seem to be some sort of political statement on the surface (no sense kicking the hornet nest otherwise), unless it's some idiot's idea of a 'shock' factor to stir up audiences...
     
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    I think that you are on the button A4K. As I said earlier 'art for arts sake'
     
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    Why would guy be some stupid as to even hint at such a thing in a country that is still recovering to this day from the black-eye given to it by Hitler. Yes you all know I'm in love with Luftwaffe aircraft but I do not condone the actions of Nazi's in anyway shape or form.
     
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