"Not exactly our finest hour"
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It always annoyed my grandad that people used to bang on about the the Germans doing bad things, truth is every side did bad things. My grandad was an AA gunner in the Royal Navy and saw first hand downed aircrew being shot in the water as well as other things. It's war and nobody's perfect.
ARTESH
Chief Master Sergeant
No one dares to talk about crimes of the Victorious side!!!
They were [ are, and will be] angels, the loosers were [are, and will be] demons!!!
good guys did not do anything wrong, but bad guys did all crimes!!!
The men at Katyn, shot themselves, because they were bored!!! same as Dachau Guards did! Dresden and Hamburg were never bombed by good guys, same as Hiroshima and Nakazaki!
They never Invaded Iran or Finland.
Too much more of these bullshits! all lies!
Dramatic Photos - Atomic Bomb Mushroom Cloud
Dramatic Photos - Dead SS Guards [Graphic]
Dramatic Photos - Hamburg 1943
They were [ are, and will be] angels, the loosers were [are, and will be] demons!!!
good guys did not do anything wrong, but bad guys did all crimes!!!
The men at Katyn, shot themselves, because they were bored!!! same as Dachau Guards did! Dresden and Hamburg were never bombed by good guys, same as Hiroshima and Nakazaki!
They never Invaded Iran or Finland.
Too much more of these bullshits! all lies!
Dramatic Photos - Atomic Bomb Mushroom Cloud
Dramatic Photos - Dead SS Guards [Graphic]
Dramatic Photos - Hamburg 1943
Stalins opening position at Yalta was that 10s of thousands of Axis military should be executed without trial. Roosevelt thought he was joking, Churchill knew he wasnt. It is a tragedy what happened to the Cossacks and others, but agreements had been made. It is nice to think that if they hadnt been handed over uncle Joe would have shrugged his shoulders and moved on, generally that isnt what Stalin did, he was a man for upping the Ante and teaching lessons.
Greg Boeser
2nd Lieutenant
Thousands of captured allied aircrew were liberated by the Soviet army. Stalin had a lot of leverage.
British and allied servicemen who joined the SS were executed. The writers of the article wont agree but the principle is the same.
Greg Boeser
2nd Lieutenant
You never hear about US volunteers joining the Axis prior to the war. Has anyone ever researched this?
Everyone knows about Tokyo Rose, but a number of Japanese-Americans either voluntarily joined or were impressed into the Japanese military.
There were also many Nazi sympathizers in the German American Bund.
Everyone knows about Tokyo Rose, but a number of Japanese-Americans either voluntarily joined or were impressed into the Japanese military.
There were also many Nazi sympathizers in the German American Bund.
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We had small constitutional issue in the UK during WW1 when the German bombers bombing London had the same name as the king whose kingdom they were bombing, this is why the royals are now called Windsors and not Saxe-Coburg-Gothe. Some people were caught in very difficult situations, forced to choose one side or the other when they would rather not choose at all. If your father is British and your mother is German which do you want to kill?
If we believe Wiki British Free Corps - Wikipedia it seems that British/Commonwealth did not execute them.
Eh? Did you read your link? Quote "John Amery was sentenced to death in November 1945 for high treason, and hanged on 19 December 1945.[33]"
Yes, I read, Amery was not a serviceman, all the mentioned servicemen lived at least to late 70s, which IMHO mean that they were not hanged after the war.
There were only 16 people executed for treachery in the whole war "
Sixteen people were shot by firing squad or hanged for treachery.[12] The first British subject to be executed under the law was George Johnson Armstrong, who was hanged at HMP Wandsworth on 10 July 1941.[13] Duncan Scott-Ford was also executed for treachery in November 1942. German agent Josef Jakobs, the last person to be executed in the Tower of London, was court-martialled and executed by firing squad under this Act. The last person to be executed under the Treachery Act was the British soldier Theodore Schurch, executed on 4 January 1946, who was the last person to be executed in the United Kingdom for an offence other than murder.
And who of them was hanged for being a serviceman who joined SS? None to my understanding. I have knew over 50 years that British hanged traitors like Lord Haw-Haw (William Joyce) after the war, and some 30 years than an MP sergeant executed a traitor British officer in Singapore harbour just before British surrendered there. And that British gave captured German agents two choices, work for them or be hanged, and that was not an empty threat.
But your original claim was that British and allied servicemen who joined the SS were executed.
But your original claim was that British and allied servicemen who joined the SS were executed.
There was a book about it by Nicholas Tolstoy .
And, there was nothing wrong by sending them back : they were Soviet citizens who fought with the Germans against the USSR.
There was also a British Legion,that fought with the Germans .
What would Britain have done if they were POW of the Soviets and the Soviets refused to send them back ?
It's ironic how a family feud (The last russian Czar was also a cousin of the King of Britain and the German Kaiser) turned into a bloody useless war that also created all the imbalances that would lead to WW2.
War are never fought for principles, only for power and money. That's why the people in power, since the dawn of time, have devised ways to lure common folks into slaying each other. Be it religion, a false flag, indoctrination or patriotism, they're all just a clever ruse to hide the true motives behind wars.
Nowadays people in power don't even have to show on the battlefields anymore. At least, back than when wars were fought with sticks, the king and the nobles marched at the head of the army. I'd love to see all our drum-beating politicians, crying wolf and pretending to be so high and almighty, be sent on the battlefield, along with their lobbyist and bankers friends, instead of quietly sitting in a bunker with their fat and grubby fingers on the red button.
War fought for principles are the worst wars that exist .
The Last Secret. 211 pgs.
In 1974, an Englishman, upset by the corrupt postwar practices of his own government, published this book about the forced delivery, from occupied zones, to the Soviet Union of over two million former Soviet citizens in 1945, whether they were citizens of the USSR or not!
The brutal Soviet regime created many exiles including those who fought against the Bolsheviks in the Russian Civil war of the 1917-1920s.
Refugees from starved Ukraine, persecuted ethnic Cossacks and legal emigrants that were displaced persons at the end of WW2 were rounded up by British authorities and deliberately lied to before they were handed over to the Soviets, who then murdered officers and sent others to work camps in Siberia (Solzhenitsyn in his book "The Gulag Archipelago" discusses this).The British authorities were well aware of the fate that was to befall them and some troops hesitated to follow orders. Eventually, they did.
A lot of Red Army soldiers captured by the Germans were put to work on farms and factories with a great many sent as laborers on the West Wall fortifications along the French seacoast. During the Normandy campaign, the Allies captured thousands and didn't know what to do with them. They were allies, but in the service of Germany.
As I had read in other books, many former Red Army men (and women) committed suicide rather than go back to the USSR.
In 1945, the Allies were tired of war and dealing with refugees, so they packed some of them in sealed trains or truck convoys guarded by armored cars and passed them to the waiting Soviets who had announced throughout the war that no Red Army men had allowed themselves to be taken prisoner.
(The USSR was not a signer of the Geneva Convention so they never sent Red Cross packages or clothing to their men in captivity, nor were any postcards delivered to family members.)
In 1974, an Englishman, upset by the corrupt postwar practices of his own government, published this book about the forced delivery, from occupied zones, to the Soviet Union of over two million former Soviet citizens in 1945, whether they were citizens of the USSR or not!
The brutal Soviet regime created many exiles including those who fought against the Bolsheviks in the Russian Civil war of the 1917-1920s.
Refugees from starved Ukraine, persecuted ethnic Cossacks and legal emigrants that were displaced persons at the end of WW2 were rounded up by British authorities and deliberately lied to before they were handed over to the Soviets, who then murdered officers and sent others to work camps in Siberia (Solzhenitsyn in his book "The Gulag Archipelago" discusses this).The British authorities were well aware of the fate that was to befall them and some troops hesitated to follow orders. Eventually, they did.
A lot of Red Army soldiers captured by the Germans were put to work on farms and factories with a great many sent as laborers on the West Wall fortifications along the French seacoast. During the Normandy campaign, the Allies captured thousands and didn't know what to do with them. They were allies, but in the service of Germany.
As I had read in other books, many former Red Army men (and women) committed suicide rather than go back to the USSR.
In 1945, the Allies were tired of war and dealing with refugees, so they packed some of them in sealed trains or truck convoys guarded by armored cars and passed them to the waiting Soviets who had announced throughout the war that no Red Army men had allowed themselves to be taken prisoner.
(The USSR was not a signer of the Geneva Convention so they never sent Red Cross packages or clothing to their men in captivity, nor were any postcards delivered to family members.)
