Obama wants your guns

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  1. Thorlifter

    Thorlifter Well-Known Member

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    How's the old saying go? They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hand.


    FACT: Barack Obama voted against the confirmation of 2 of the 5 Justices that affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms.

    FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

    FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

    FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

    FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

    FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

    FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

    FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
    who use firearms in self-defense.5

    FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

    FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

    FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

    FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

    FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

    FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

    FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

    FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

    FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

    FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

    FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

    FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9


    Documentation.....

    1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005. (U.S. Senate: Legislation Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote)

    2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 20087. (Obama had greater role on liberal survey - Kenneth P. Vogel - Politico.com)

    3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 2, 2005. (U.S. Senate: Legislation Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote)

    4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, Political Punch, 2/15/08. (Political Radar: Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' on Gun Owners' Rights)

    5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.

    6. In the Illinois Senate, Obama sponsored SB-1136, which would have amended Illinois licensing laws by increasing the requirements for the Illinois Firearm Owners Identification card. When asked about registration during the Nevada Democratic debate on January 17, 2008, Obama did not oppose it, but simply stated, “I don’t think that we can get that done.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us/politics/15demdebate-transcript.html?pagewanted=all)

    7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review)

    8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

    9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (The Volokh Conspiracy - Obama and Gun Control:)

    10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

    11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

    12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (Radio Iowa: Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control)

    13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (The Swamp: Barack Obama: NIU shootings call for action)

    14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | UrbanPolicy.)

    15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (Barack Obama on Gun Control and Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes) Oct 21, 2004.

    16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.
     
  2. ccheese

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    That's good to know..... He wasn't getting my vote anyhow !

    Charles
     
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    Been saying that all along. The guy does not support the second amendment.

    That's a deal breaker for me on it's own, not even taking into account his extremist views on abortion.

    TO
     
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    wonder if he has ever picked up a firearm in his life or gone out to the local range to pop off some rounds ? .............. most likely NO
     
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    Thanks Thor. It just keeps piling up. Someone in another thread wanted to know why we're scared of what Olabama might do. There's the answer.
     
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    Keep the unwashed masses controlled, and scared to go out at night because they can't defend themselves....its easier to rule that way. I hate the guy already, never even met him.
     
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    He may be trying to save himself. If he becomes pres I can see some James Earl Ray lovin' nutjob out for some fun.
     
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    with all the weirdos living in the states the man won't even last a year in office
     
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    "I'll give you my gun when you take it from my cold, dead hands!" I remember hearing Charlton Heston speaking this phrase back in the 90's when the Clinton's and Gore wanted to run things.
    My sentiments today.
    This is just one of the long list of things that scare me about Mr. Obama.
     
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    If I recall correctly, the 2nd amendment basically states that we have the right to form a militia to defend the freedom of the state. Technically because we have cops, national guard, army, etc. citizens don't need to own guns. But is there anything wrong with owning a gun? Nope. I believe the statistics show that more people die in car accidents than in gun related accidents. Then again, 87% of statistics are made up on the spot. :p

    I've gone over this time and time again at school, laws against guns won't stop law breakers from getting them. And even if all the guns were removed from the world, it would just be a case about knife control.
     
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    No, that's not really the thrust of the amendment. It basically states that we the people have the right to keep and bear arms.

    To be exact.....

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    And how would you protect yourself at 3:00 in the morning if you have an intruder in your house?

    Now we agree.

    TO
     
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    Obama wants my gun? He can have it :)
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    I was always on your side, just putting out another view I've been taught.
     
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    Is that the phone call at 3am? Isn't Hillary waiting to save us?
     
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    Happens all the time over there eh? :)
     
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    No, for me at least it is more around 4:00.
     
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    Hillary save us? I'd rather let the intruder shoot me. :)

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