Passenger jet shot down over Ukraine

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  1. Marcel

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    #1 Marcel, Jul 17, 2014
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    It's impossible for a civilian airliner to fly just above the battle field! :shock:
     
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    A terrible tragedy and unfortunately, the Russian commander in the Donetsk region, Igor Strelkov, claimed responsibility, saying "We warned you not to fly in our area!" shortly after the Malaysian airliner was brought down. He thought it was another Ukranian aircraft like the Ukranian AN-26 transport they shot down with a Buk system.

    If this is the case, then Strelkov is in some serious trouble.
     
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    In Fricken Credible. First they say they shot it down, not they are saying it was not them.
     
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    Some might find this comment offensive, but Strelkov has just proven that he is leading a group of state sponsored terrorists. My sympathies to the families and loved ones on the airliner.
     
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    Unbelievable,poor people and just what Malaysia Air needed on top of it.......This has taken a turn to real ugly......
     
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    The problem with the "separatists", is that they have access to the weapons, not the necessary electronics suite that can identify the target (FoF, etc) like the Russian or Ukrainian military (or any other military, for that matter)...

    "Always be sure of your target before pulling the trigger" is just as important with a sidearm as it is with any weapon. These idiots really effed up this time...
     
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    Man, what if it was shot down with a weapon supplied by the Russians?
     
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    Also now saying it's possible the Russians did it and the rebels are taking the blame..
     
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    They're saying everything at the moment, let's wait first.

    More important: many Dutch casualties. At this moment I heard a number of 60 Dutch, but possibly many more :( hundreds of people died here, from many countries. Rip and all thoughts goes to the people left behind.
     
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    As it stands, the separatists have downed several aircraft with their Russian made Buk systems. One of the systems was captured at a Ukrainian military site, but it's also said that Russia has supplied them with additional units.

    There is attempts to determine the launch path of the Buk missile and there is actually evidence that it may have come from the Russian side of the Russian/Ukrainian border but the facts are not all in at the moment. In either case, the separatists did claim that they downed a Ukrainian aircraft but after the word got out that the Malaysian airliner went down, they immediately retracted their claims.
     
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    about 80 kids on board... R.I.P.
     
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    Everyone would do that. Claiming shooting down military aircraft or at least Ukrainian machine is one thing, many terrorist organisations do that when they shoot down some American helicopter or admit responsibility for some attacks.
    But admitting the kill of neutral and civilian machine with many foreigners on board (especially children).
    That is just ...

    I dont even have words, all that poor people looking for holiday in Asia. All poor kids. This world is certainly going in a wrong direction.
     
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    #15 Glider, Jul 17, 2014
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    I am wiling to bet that they suddenly say it wasn't them by tomorrow morning

    Edit the following has been posted by the BBC based on its own monitoring services

    20:27: BBC Monitoring reports more from the conversation between militants allegedly intercepted by the Ukrainian Security Service.

    The conversation starts with Igor Bezler, a key militant, apparently telling a Russian security official by phone that the pro-Russian militants have shot down a plane
     
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    80 kids? Dam...............
     
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    That's the key point right there...they thought they downed a Ukrainian transport like they have done recently but started retracting their statements as soon as word got out it was not a military aircraft, but a civilian airliner.
     
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    #19 razor1uk, Jul 17, 2014
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    Frecking pro-%$^£$ militants; Russia Strong! eh! Poopholed mubbaverkers. MY (albeit virtual) commiserations and heartfelt sorrow to those unsuspecting victims.
    Well hopefully Vladimir will now have to...
    stop giving them access to such hightech weaps,
    stop whichever agency commanders are doing resupply without his authority
    or
    disavow himself of the pig-brained (sorry ..offencive to bacon) so called sepratists.

    Lets hope that the IFF transponder on MAL MH17's isn't allegedly found to be 'faulty' as an excuse...

    May this stupid proxy fest end sooner than later
     
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    At least 154 Dutch. No American casualties confirmed yet. 47 unknown.
     
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