Political Parties: Support or Defend Your Political Affiliations

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  1. Matt308

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    Okay Forum Members... the Admins and Mods have cussed (and discussed) the idea for a place to post your thoughts about your particular political affiliation, its merits, advantages compared to others, and why other beliefs are a trifle off-base.

    This will be the ONLY sticky thread where the mods will come down hard on any of the following are used in a disparaging format:

    1) Personal attacks against forum members, political persons, or related individuals. It will be acceptable to quote political persons plans, actions, activities and accomplishments. You move it beyond that and the Mods have full discretion to warn, delete, and ban.

    2) Disparaging comments on sexual orientation, gender, race, religion, or skin color.

    3) Use of extreme foul language in any format.

    4) Posting of off-color, inappropriate or rated-R (adult only) video links, URLs, or pictures will not be tolerated.

    Okay you GOP, Democrats, liberals, right wingers, neo-cons, progressives, Greens, Socialists, Fascists, conservatives, constitutionalists, Nazis, KKK'ers and conspiracy theorists; put your philosophical beliefs upon the table in a coherent format. State your pros. Defend your cons.

    But most importantly, behave yourselves. If the Sticky gets out of hand, LesOfPrimus will shut it down like a subprime foreclosure.

    And let the debate begin...
     
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    Oh... and no more whining about unfair Forum practices against any particular affiliation. It's annoying.
     
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    No political affiliation for me. Guess you would call me an independent. But don't get me wrong, I'm a traditional, conservative American and in today's political climate that means I'm generally voting Republican.

    I've never understood party affiliation. The terms Republican, Democrat, etc. really have no meaning to me. A person's beliefs, value system and philosophy should govern his vote. I believe in the Judeo-Christian tenents and beliefs this country was founded on, and that certainly influences my vote.

    What I don't understand are the folks who vote one party or the other, based on the fact that their father, grandfather or entire family have historically voted that way. :confused:

    I don't believe in the secular progressive liberal idea of what America should be.

    I will resist the influence of the ACLU, George Soros and the rest of the far left, San Francisco type nutjobs that are ruining this country.

    Does that answer the question?

    TO
     
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    A noble idea TO, but could you really vote for a Democrat?

    And I know that quite a few Republican leaning regulars here {who I know like! :) } have stated they have "Judeo-Christian" beliefs, does that include the Christian ideas of "Morality"? Or is that a personal choice?
     
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    One thing I have to state TO, I have an objection to the "Secular Progressive" label, I know Bill O'Reilly has coined this term, but what he calls "SP" liberals have little in common with the "Progressive" movement, as exemplified by Teddy Roosevelt.

    It's time that the term "Progressive" was re-claimed for what it meant.

    Some of the ideas advanced by Priogressives:

    from Wiki: Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    1.) Secret Ballots for elections

    2.) Women's Sufferage

    3.) Elected Primarys {not by party bosses}

    4.) Proffesional Administration {Government personnel in the INS, FBI, NSC, etc. should be proffesional, non political - not party hacks}

    5.) Eliminate Government Corruption

    6.) Trust-Busting - Eliminate Monopolies

    7.) Government Regulations for Environment, Safety, Banking, Labor etc.

    8.) Ending Child Labor

    9.) Consevation of Natural Resources


    In Canada in the early part of the Century the "Progressive" party merged with the "Conservative" party to form the "Progressive Conservatives" until the 1990's when the "Progressive" was dropped.
     
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    I would vote for a conservative Democrat over a liberal Republican EVERY time free.

    As stated, my idea of morality is based on the Judeo-Christian beliefs but yes, also personal, and I respect the personal morality choices of others.

    TO
     
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    Fair point free. My use of the term would mirror O'Reilly's use and meaning of SP. "Secular" is what differentiates the meaning in my opinion.

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    Sorry, couldn't resist. Says it all to me about the liberal (progressive) agenda.
     
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    Good evening Matt, Kudo's for the political thread idea. :)

    And no whining! :D

    For the record, I'm as P'd off at the liberals too for hijacking "Progressive", almost as bad as the oxymoron "devout" Muslims blowing off bombs.

    Perhaps you should move posts 746 - 754 from the "Global Warming" thread over here, as it starts a discussion of Socialism between Ren, Lear, Adler myself. This would be the right place to discuss the merits of Socialism vs. Capitalism I would think.

    Cheers.
     
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    I think liberals will want money oil too once they get their hands on it.
     
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    Nope. But carry on.
     
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    Umm Ok.

    Would you have an objection if I quoted the relevant parts here then?

    It seemed to be moving totally off topic for "Global Warming", but I for one would be interested to have the discussion continue, here if appropriate.
     
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    socialism its easy to explain, just read karl marx, its everything there. the meanings of production in the hands of a strong and global onde-party state, the "dictatureship of workers", thats the idea of socialism. marx realized socialism as a transition period between the capitalist soceiety to what we call utopia. the meanings of production in the hands of workers comunities(theres no unions that time anymore), no more countries or frontiers no presidents, no mayors no senators, no states, but no crime, no wars, etc... utopia.

    but understand the capitalism its quite more complicated. the capitalism of 21 century is very caotic. if theres an economic crisis in thailand, you will feel that in your homeland, because companies and the investiments have no passport. soccer balls from pakistan, eletronic devices from china, call centers from india, french cars assembler in argentina.... etc. everybody wants too sell more to other countries and buy less.

    so, its kind of a hypocrisy, like, when we wants to sell more to another contry we talk about free market and free world, democracy, bla bla bla... then when the guy are selling much in your country and your home enterprises cant take the competition, lets talk about nationalism, im proud to be xxxx this is a xxxx factory with xxxx workers bla bla bla bla bla...

    polititians ? must be vaccinated and castrated.

    my party ?

    once time ago i voted for lula, but im disapointed with him and the labour party (PT), because they was so corrupt than the other ones. but i believed they wasnt, my mistake.

    left ? right ? once time the former argentinian president juan peron said: the power its like a violin: should be taken by the left and played by the right. so im a nationalist.

    not nationalist like that ultra-right-conservateur/neo-nazi that you see in many parts, but more like nationalist as put to work together all people from left, center and right who is not corrupt and really loves brazil.

    to resolve the main problems of that nation. in some issues left is better than right. another issues needs a right view to resolve. the ideology should be love brazil. thats the most rich country in the world. its a shame so many poverty.
     
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    Umm no Marx was talking about Communism, not the same as Socialism
     
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    He was talking abouth both. Sorry for copy/pasting but here it is:

    Socialism refers to any of various economic and political concepts of state or collective (i.e. public) ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and services, some of which have been developed into more or less highly articulated theories and/or praxis. [1] In a Marxist or labor-movement definition of the term, socialism is a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done with the goal of creating a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.

    Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    I will re-post the relevent parts of our discussion of socialism that branched off from the "Global warming" thread.

    I don't agree with "conservative" being always reactionary and opposed to science. There is the "Teddy Roosevelt" model of conservatism, pro-environment, and for keeping thye big corporations honest from abusing their power.

     
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    I'm not here to defend Communism or Socialism, I was pointing out that the form it supposedly exists today in Europe is far different than the "total ownership" that Marx was writing about.

    Wiki has the same quotes as on "answers.com", but I note are qualified with "various concepts" "more or less articulated theories", there is no one consensus. Also I note that the quote has a further disambiguation on Communism vs. modern Democratic Socialism

     
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    I've posted this elsewhere, but after seeing this threat......




    edd
     
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