propeller question

Discussion in 'Engines' started by lexy, Nov 8, 2011.

  1. lexy

    lexy New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Hi guys,

    i have registred myself to ask you experts a question.


    a friend of mine bought a propeller that was found in the sea near Calais many years ago.

    Can anybody identifie this propeller based on these pictures?

    Thanks for your help.

    Alex
     

    Attached Files:

  2. FLYBOYJ

    FLYBOYJ "THE GREAT GAZOO"
    Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2005
    Messages:
    23,208
    Likes Received:
    791
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Aircraft Maintenance Manager/ Flight Instructor
    Location:
    Colorado, USA
    Can you get photos of the hub area, font and back? Also any numbers and stamps would be helpful. The prop was not spinning when it crashed.
     
  3. lexy

    lexy New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Okey, i see what i can do.

    There will probably be no more stamps visible due to the time it has spend in the sea. It was fished up by a French fisherman in the 50's and then it was displayed in his garden for a long time.

    We did find a bullet hole in one of the propellers.

    Ill try to get more pics quicly.

    Thanks.
     
  4. dairwin

    dairwin Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    36
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Occupation:
    Retired spacecraft operation
    Location:
    West Sussex, UK
    Doesn't look like a Rotol or Ham Standard. More detailed photos can only help.

    DAI
     
  5. vikingBerserker

    vikingBerserker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2009
    Messages:
    24,093
    Likes Received:
    657
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Korporate Kontrolleur
    Location:
    South Carolina
  6. dairwin

    dairwin Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    36
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Occupation:
    Retired spacecraft operation
    Location:
    West Sussex, UK
    #6 dairwin, Nov 8, 2011
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2011
    Having a further look (and until we see better photos); prop is non-feathered, right hand rotation, with variable pitch mechanism and significant assembly on rear of hub. Rather like a Bf 109.

    See this video; specifically freeze frame at 1:48 and then again at 1:55. Prop retaining assembly has lateral holes.


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QP16QoNNkM
     
  7. lexy

    lexy New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Thanks for the video, very helpfull indeed, im working on those detailed pics for you guys.

    thanks
     
  8. A4K

    A4K Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2007
    Messages:
    12,162
    Likes Received:
    123
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    The back of beyond
    Yep, first glance it looks German to me, like a Bf 109E or Bf 110C/D prop. Looking forward to your details on her.
     
  9. Airframes

    Airframes Benevolens Magister

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2008
    Messages:
    47,730
    Likes Received:
    1,425
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Cheshire, UK
    Yep, cetainly looks like the profile of a '109 prop, either 'E' or early 'F'. From what's shown so far, I'd guess at a Bf109F, with the central bore for the cannon.
     
  10. stona

    stona Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2009
    Messages:
    7,537
    Likes Received:
    949
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Very brave chaps! I do think that it is German,given the limited information in the piccies,so you could be correct.
    Cheers
    Steve
     
  11. FLYBOYJ

    FLYBOYJ "THE GREAT GAZOO"
    Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2005
    Messages:
    23,208
    Likes Received:
    791
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Aircraft Maintenance Manager/ Flight Instructor
    Location:
    Colorado, USA
  12. Airframes

    Airframes Benevolens Magister

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2008
    Messages:
    47,730
    Likes Received:
    1,425
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Cheshire, UK
    If it is a '109 prop, then it's almost certainly from VDM. The perforated 'tube' in the hub is consistent with a cannon installation. Here is a pic of an engine from a Bf109G, recovered recently, after the air battle over the White Carpathian (Czech Republic), which took place in August 1944.Where the actual cannon barrel is bent from impact, it 'slotted' through the tubular guide in the prop hub, not present on the '109E, and the '109F had a similar guide tube.
    Be interesting to know which aircraft it came from - being recovered near Calais, a pure guess would be a kite from possibly JG26 ?
     

    Attached Files:

  13. Ivan1GFP

    Ivan1GFP Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2008
    Messages:
    636
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Hi Lexy,

    If I were you, I would get a really good picture of the blade at the root. That flare suggests to me that it isn't a 109E. The other thing to check is to run a tape measure from the center of the hub to the tip of the most intact blade while following the bends and see if you can measure the diameter. The 109E and 109F used different diameter props.

    - Ivan.
     
  14. lexy

    lexy New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Hello all,

    first of all, thanks for the help so far.

    Today we managed to put an axle true the prop an mount it on the wall.

    It realy looks great and will be the centrepiece of the collection when it will all be finished.

    We measured the most intact blade from the beginning and the length is about 155 centimetres.

    I also took lots of new pics and these may help to identifie it.

    There is one picture with the bullethole.

    Again, thanks for the help.

    Kind regards,

    Alex sized_IMG_3773.JPG sized_IMG_3749.JPG sized_IMG_3751.JPG sized_IMG_3755.JPG sized_IMG_3756.JPG sized_IMG_3757.JPG sized_IMG_3763.JPG sized_IMG_3764.JPG sized_IMG_3771.JPG sized_IMG_3772.JPG
     
  15. herman1rg

    herman1rg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2008
    Messages:
    1,157
    Likes Received:
    72
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I have no idea personally but it looks great.
     
  16. al49

    al49 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2009
    Messages:
    1,267
    Likes Received:
    73
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Milan, Italy
    I'm not an expert at all, but this photo

    Bf 109 G100001.jpg

    taken from this book

    BF 109 Illustr Study.jpg

    seems to confirm it's Bf 109 propeller, but there is an issue on dimensions.
    Both VDM 9-12087 and VDM 9-12159 are stated to have a diameter of 300 cm and, if just a blade is 155 cm long, something doesn't work.
    Hope someone will be able to give you a better answer.
    Alberto
     
  17. FLYBOYJ

    FLYBOYJ "THE GREAT GAZOO"
    Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2005
    Messages:
    23,208
    Likes Received:
    791
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Aircraft Maintenance Manager/ Flight Instructor
    Location:
    Colorado, USA
    Well it definitely is a VDM, hub very similar to the pic I posted.
     
  18. BBB

    BBB New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2011
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Hello, sorry for my bad english, today,lexy and I, w're working and whe fit the prop to a wall, the beginning of my personal museum;(a lot of items are waiting to put them at the big room and because the prop. is a big thing, that's the firtst item that must into the museum before I fix the walls.
    Later shall you see the finally sight.
    Thanks Lexy for your help.
    This evening I blow all the dirty away from the prop., I din't find stamps.
    I hope that the prop is from a German fighting plane of WWII, and I thank al of you guy's for your help too exterminate this prop.
     
  19. nuuumannn

    nuuumannn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2011
    Messages:
    3,743
    Likes Received:
    439
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Aircraft Engineer
    Location:
    Nelson
    Hi Guys,

    I hope I'm not too late, but these might help. I do agree that it is a German VDM prop; it would fit this engine, anyway:

    Hess DB601 s.jpg

    DB 603 from a Bf 110 (Rudolf Hess'. Shhhh...)

    BBB, Sorry I stole your picture:

    German ac prop.JPG

    The prop hub matches the engine mating face. When I saw the close up of the hub I knew I recognised it from somewhere.
     
  20. A4K

    A4K Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2007
    Messages:
    12,162
    Likes Received:
    123
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    The back of beyond
    Mate, after seeing your new pics I'm sure it is a VDM - the propeller boss is a dead ringer for one I photographed at the Deutsches Museum (from a Heinkel He 111).
     
Loading...

Share This Page