Questions of this scene (1 Viewer)

[Skywalker Jin]

A friend of mine named Shokaku·Nanoda built this below:

This scene is based on battle of Leyte Gulf, the final moment of Zuikaku.
Someone pointed out that:
1. The cruiser should't have such high speed in case of saving crew from the carrier.
2. The crew on the deck is "separately average" and it didn't suit that historic event.

What's your opinion?
Any info is welcomed.
Skywalker Jin

 

[fubar57]

Not sure what separately average means. A photo showing the "final salute to the flag"

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[Skywalker Jin]

Not sure what separately average means. A photo showing the "final salute to the flag"

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Perhaps this

 

[fubar57]

Seems to be a good replication of the photo, methinks. What did the other guy want, a game of volleyball mid deck?

 

[Skywalker Jin]

Seems to be a good replication of the photo, methinks. What did the other guy want, a game of volleyball mid deck?

Maybe jam-packed with people

 

[EwenS]

You will find details of her history here.

Imperial Flattops

As for her final hour or so:
1327 All hands ordered to get up to the flight deck, the list to port is now 21 degrees. With the men gathered on the slanting flight deck, Captain Kaizuka addresses his crew from the island, states that he is going to share the carrier's fate, and all hands salute the formal lowering of the naval ensign as a bugler plays Kimigayo. Then Abandon Ship is ordered at 1358 as the list hits 23 degrees.
- At 1414 (AG 601 report says 1422) ZUIKAKU slowly "half-rolled" over to port onto her side and then sank stern first (Position 19'20 N, 125'15 E). Captain Kaizuka Takeo, forty-eight officers and 794 petty officers and men lost with the carrier. However, forty-seven officers and 815 pettyofficers and men are rescued by WAKATSUKI and KUWA. Among the survivors is ZUIKAKU's Air Group 601's officer (hikocho), LtCr. Aido Takahide, who did not fly out on the last strike.


Normal practice would be to escape over the side that was uppermost. In this case over the starboard side.

Ozawa's flag had been transferred to Oyodo several hours earlier. Rescue of Zuikaku's crew was left to destroyers.

Imperial Cruisers

 

[Skywalker Jin]

You will find details of her history here.

Imperial Flattops

As for her final hour or so:
1327 All hands ordered to get up to the flight deck, the list to port is now 21 degrees. With the men gathered on the slanting flight deck, Captain Kaizuka addresses his crew from the island, states that he is going to share the carrier's fate, and all hands salute the formal lowering of the naval ensign as a bugler plays Kimigayo. Then Abandon Ship is ordered at 1358 as the list hits 23 degrees.
- At 1414 (AG 601 report says 1422) ZUIKAKU slowly "half-rolled" over to port onto her side and then sank stern first (Position 19'20 N, 125'15 E). Captain Kaizuka Takeo, forty-eight officers and 794 petty officers and men lost with the carrier. However, forty-seven officers and 815 pettyofficers and men are rescued by WAKATSUKI and KUWA. Among the survivors is ZUIKAKU's Air Group 601's officer (hikocho), LtCr. Aido Takahide, who did not fly out on the last strike.


Normal practice would be to escape over the side that was uppermost. In this case over the starboard side.

Ozawa's flag had been transferred to Oyodo several hours earlier. Rescue of Zuikaku's crew was left to destroyers.

Imperial Cruisers

Well the key point of argument is that the crowd, that guy stated that it should be jammed and not uniformly stood just like this scene

 

[Wurger]

If I may ... I agree with fubar57's opinion. The scene with the people crowding at the deck looks good. Of course the assessment of whether it is correct or not is a subjective feeling. And always depending on each of guy having the look at. Here in Poland we say "It's no use crying over spilt milk". All is done now and according to Murphy's rules it is better to start the work agin from beginning than trying correcting of already done job. Personally I would say that the opinion expressed by someone might have been because of the fact that the crew on the deck consists of figures of almost the same shape and posture. Looking at the picture fubar57 posted it can be noticed that the guys there were standing there in many different poses. Additionally the pic shows the logarithmic prospect what means the larger distance the less details can be found. For instance how many guys were standing just there. So ...
Regarding the cruiser and its speed .... also I can't see any problem. First off all, at the combat situations, ships stopped fully rarely or really stopped just for a wee while only. Being threatened by an attack of aircraft or submarines, the speed was reduced to the minimal often, just to allow people catch the rope nets hanging on the ship's sides. Secondly, certainly the cruiser could go faster but how to know what the commander is doing at the moment. Maybe he just ordered to stop ship's propulsion machinery and put the ship in reverse to stop fully. Who knows.The maneuvering the ship is not the same as driving a car. My two cents here.

 

[Shortround6]

I gave the model work a bacon.

We can always nit pick things.
Trying to 'model' hundreds of crewmen on that scale would be huge undertaking on its own.
For the critic, what would satisfy him? more different poses for the crewmen? greater variations in uniforms and paint schemes?

If someone examines paintings with a magnifying glass a number of flaws can be found. Stand back 2-3 meters and they disappear.

 

[Skywalker Jin]

If I may ... I agree with fubar57's opinion. The scene with the people crowding at the deck looks good. Of course the assessment of whether it is correct or not is a subjective feeling. And always depending on each of guy having the look at. Here in Poland we say "It's no use crying over spilt milk". All is done now and according to Murphy's rules it is better to start the work agin from beginning than trying correcting of already done job. Personally I would say that the opinion expressed by someone might have been because of the fact that the crew on the deck consists of figures of almost the same shape and posture. Looking at the picture fubar57 posted it can be noticed that the guys there were standing there in many different poses. Additionally the pic shows the logarithmic prospect what means the larger distance the less details can be found. For instance how many guys were standing just there. So ...
Regarding the cruiser and its speed .... also I can't see any problem. First off all, at the combat situations, ships stopped fully rarely or really stopped just for a wee while only. Being threatened by an attack of aircraft or submarines, the speed was reduced to the minimal often, just to allow people catch the rope nets hanging on the ship's sides. Secondly, certainly the cruiser could go faster but how to know what the commander is doing at the moment. Maybe he just ordered to stop ship's propulsion machinery and put the ship in reverse to stop fully. Who knows.The maneuvering the ship is not the same as driving a car. My two cents here.

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Well yes, my friend decides to think those opinions over when building new scene like this.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I think it's the destroyer's wake that is a bit overdone. It's got a pretty big bone in its teeth for being that close to a sinking ship and a couple standing by in assistance.