Roll Back 1 year

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  1. comiso90

    comiso90 Active Member

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    #1 comiso90, Jun 10, 2009
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    You can roll back the operational deployed date of any one aircraft by one year... it can appear in any theater.

    For me it may be the Bearcat with the Sky Raider a close second.

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    Which aircraft would you least like to see rolled back by a year?


    I'll go for the obvious choice.. If the 262 had another year in the sky, it would cane made a difference on the bombing offensive. But the TA-152 was cheaper... a lot more of those would have been available.


    Westland Wyvern would have been cool but even if it was rolled back a year... it wouldn't have had much time.
    The P-51 H... would been handy!
    F6F? woulda relieved a lot of pressure.

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    #2 Colin1, Jun 10, 2009
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    Would like to see:
    Hawker Sea Fury for the FAA

    Martin-Baker MB.5 for the RAF


    Would not like to see:
    Even with the just-too-late crop of piston-engined fighters getting their shot, the Me262 would still be unassailable, coupled with

    the Ta183, you've got Messerschmitt's master bomber-killer plying its trade whilst Focke-wulf's nimble, extremely fast, heavily-armed fighter ties up the Allied fighter escort with one arm behind its back.
     
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    A couple good choices Comiso. For me

    A year sooner - P-51 or P-47. Escorted bombing missions a year sooner in the ETO!!
    Not a year sooner - Me-262. For the reasons Comiso said.
     
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    Rolling back the Merlin P-51 one year means that the P-51B/C would have appeared over Europe in late '42 early '43 and it would have reversed potentially the terrible losses suffered by the 8th Air Force throughout 1943 and saved the life of many Airmen.
     
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    You are correct but lets not worry about ripple effects on previous models caused by rolling back deployments of more advanced versions...

    The aircraft you choose are suddenly available...and would be concurrent with any previous models.

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    How about rolling back the B-29 Superfortress so that it can do bomber raids over Europe in 1944. That would have had a huge impact on the bomber war over Europe.
     
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    I wonder even if they could have rolled it back, they may have chosen to use them all in the Pacific where the distances were greater.

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    For the Italians

    Would like to see:
    Fiat G55 which would have made a big difference in the Med

    Would not like to see
    Spit IX
     
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    That is true, but if they had used them in Europe they would have made a big effect.
     
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    Ah, for my country: Fokker T.IX and D.23. The D.23 would have been a match for the Messerschmits if available and even better when engined with merlins as Fokker proposed. The T.IX would have been much better than the lousy T.V. Having said that, it would not have changed the outcome of the war.
     
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    For me, there are too many options available, so I will go for countries:

    Right now those are the cases in my mind:

    Poland.
    Getting the PZL 50 Jaztrab available in 1939.
    Even if the PZL50 was not the best in its category, my impression is that having a fast, well-armed, closed cockpit, retractable landing gear, monoplane would have made a difference. How the polish pilots managed to fight the Luftwaffe flying those pathetic PZL 11 and PZL 7, I still don't fully understand.

    France:
    Getting the Dewoitine 520 in full service by 1939-40
    As far as I know, the DW 520 was better than the Bf 109 in most accounts, so having it fully available would have been a significant adavantage for the french,

    Netherlands:
    Getting the Fokker G1 fully operational by 1940
    A heavy hitter, a full fleet of G1 could have made a slaughter of german bombers, but I agree that at the end it wouldn't have changed the final outcome

    Italy:
    Getting any of the last generation fighters (Fiat G55, Macchi 2005 and Reggiane 2005 available by 1942
    I understand that any of those fighters were at the same level than anything the allies had, and probably they were better than most. Those planes had overcome the two critical problems of italian fighters: light firepower and insuficient speed/acceleration.
     
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    The Hellcat. I think that would have made a dramtic difference int he Pacific.
     
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    For the Japanese

    Would like to see:
    Ki84 which would have been all over the allied fighters

    Would not like to see
    Corsair
     
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    Would like to see:

    About 100 Brewsters in FAF 1 year earlier (ca. spring 1939).

    Would not like to see:

    No 109G in FAF until spring 1944.
     
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    tomo pauk Creator of Interesting Threads

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    I'll go by countries, only for a year-early on:

    -US: P-38

    -UK: Mosquito

    -France: VG-33

    -USSR: Yak-1

    -Germany: Me-262

    -Japan: Ki-84

    -Italy: G.55
     
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    US: F4U, just a more capable aircraft overall than the Hellcat.

    UK: Mosquito

    USSR: La-5

    Germany: Me-262

    Japan: Ki-84

    Italy: G.55
     
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    P-51

    My choice is the P-51.
    I think the greatest benefit for the Allies would be to wave this magic wand in the critical early years when the P-39, P-40, Hurricane and Spitfire bore the brunt of the fighting.
    Even with the Allison engine, the ramifications of fielding the P-51 in May 1941 would have been gynormic.
    This also means P-51 development would have been a year ahead as well, i.e., Merlin engine.

    The only other plane fielded early enough that could have affected the critical early years is the P-38.
    But considering how long development plodded on, how much more expensive it cost, more maintenance intensive, etc, I think the P-51 deserves the pick.

    Combat debut dates from Wikipedia:
    - P-40 June 1941
    - P-39 October 1941
    - P-51 May 1942
    - P-38 4 April 1942/September 1942 for photoreconnaissance and 29 May 1942 in the Aleutians
    - F4U February 14, 1943
    - P-47 March 10, 1943
    - F6F September 1, 1943
     
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    tomo pauk Creator of Interesting Threads

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    Will you please explain what the words 'ramifications' and 'gynormic' mean, to a non-original speaker? Thanks.
     
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    Ramifications - consequences, result of

    gynormic - don't know but good word! :) I don't think you'll find it in an English dictionary but something along the lines of: out of this world, considerable impact, gewaltig, ungerheuerlich, riesig
     
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