JoblinTheGoblin
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- May 13, 2023
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Question is which allies?the Japanese did have small stocks of high-octane fuel, primarily 100 octane. At least some of this fuel was captured from the Allies.
HiQuestion is which allies?
In 1940 the US was buying/distributing 100/100 fuel. This was the stuff with less than 2% aromatic compounds. Yes it was a lot better than either 91 octane or 96 octane.
At some point the US specified 100/125 fuel but it doesn't seem that much entered the supply chain, some engines were rated on it at the factories. The US and the British had agreed to a common fuel specification before Pearl Harbor but I don't know if it was just a few months or in the spring of 1941. How much of the better '100' octane fuel made it to the Philippines to get captured I don't know. The P-40C and P-40Es would run just fine on 100/100 fuel, you just couldn't use the really high over boost that the British were using in NA.
Now what were the British sending to Burma and Malaya for fuel in 1941?
Standard British 87 octane? (which was actually a bit better but they never measured it at rich rating)
Standard British 100/130 of mid 1941?
Something in-between from Dutch refineries?
The engines in the Buffaloes did not need 100/130 fuel. At the most they needed 100/100 fuel.
Japanese supplies of 100/130 fuel would be mostly from crashed aircraft unless the Allies had shipped in 100/130 fuel to Burma/Malaya and the Philippines before they fell.
Problem for the US was that the 100/130 fuel tended to dissolve the rubber fuel tank linings and other rubber parts in the fuel system. The 100/100 didn't.
100/100 is my name for the early US 100 octane as it is easier than typing out "2% or less aromatics" every time I mention the early fuel.
When did British high grade fuel get delivered? Australian Spit V's were limited to 9 lbs boost.
Neil
HiQuestion is which allies?
In 1940 the US was buying/distributing 100/100 fuel. This was the stuff with less than 2% aromatic compounds. Yes it was a lot better than either 91 octane or 96 octane.
At some point the US specified 100/125 fuel but it doesn't seem that much entered the supply chain, some engines were rated on it at the factories. The US and the British had agreed to a common fuel specification before Pearl Harbor but I don't know if it was just a few months or in the spring of 1941. How much of the better '100' octane fuel made it to the Philippines to get captured I don't know. The P-40C and P-40Es would run just fine on 100/100 fuel, you just couldn't use the really high over boost that the British were using in NA.
Now what were the British sending to Burma and Malaya for fuel in 1941?
Standard British 87 octane? (which was actually a bit better but they never measured it at rich rating)
Standard British 100/130 of mid 1941?
Something in-between from Dutch refineries?
The engines in the Buffaloes did not need 100/130 fuel. At the most they needed 100/100 fuel.
Japanese supplies of 100/130 fuel would be mostly from crashed aircraft unless the Allies had shipped in 100/130 fuel to Burma/Malaya and the Philippines before they fell.
Problem for the US was that the 100/130 fuel tended to dissolve the rubber fuel tank linings and other rubber parts in the fuel system. The 100/100 didn't.
100/100 is my name for the early US 100 octane as it is easier than typing out "2% or less aromatics" every time I mention the early fuel.
It's rather easy to forget that Japan conquered wast areas in China in 1944, the objective was to deny the B-29 bases from which to bomb Japan. While I have no idea about grades and what may have been stored, China is indeed a candidate as a source of captured fuel.Hi
The Anglo-Persian Oil Company's refinery at Abadan (Iran) ended up supplying high octane aviation fuel to India etc. However, it may not have been until 1943 onwards after the 'Cold Alkylation process' was introduced. Ultimately sources mention about 90 percent of the refinery's capacity was involved. Presumably prior to that high octane fuel was supplied from the other refineries that were producing it. Lower octane fuels could be supplied by Indian refineries, Digboi (in northern Assam) and Rawalpindi (North-West Frontier).
I would have thought that any 100 octane fuel captured by the Japanese during their 1941-42 advances would have been in rather short supply by 1944-45. I am not sure how many allied aircraft crashed in places that were easily accessible to remove and transport the remaining fuel to reuse, jungle and sea are not good locations for recovery, China may be better I suppose.
Mike
Something seems a little off, here.Hi
According to the OH 'The War Against Japan Volume II' page 469, the Burmah Oil Company at its Yenangyaung facility in upper Burma was by the beginning of 1942 doing the following:
"Production of motor spirit, 800,000 gallons a month, with a target of 2 million. (Distribution difficulties arose when production exceeded 1 million gallons). Refining arrangements were improved to produce 87 octane spirit for the armoured brigade and 90 octane spirit for the RAF."
Mike
I would guess that it was either 91 octane or 100/100 octane.As for captured aviation fuel, I do not believe that was a significant performance enhancer, but one source I have not seen mentioned is the fuel that was supplied to PT boats in the PI. I have no idea what grade that was though.
The Frank certainly would have hardly been capable of evading superior late-war Allied aircraft with the inferior speeds,
US manuals for the P-40 note the limits for the 91 oct fuel when used on V-1710 and V-1650-1.Could they even run on lower octane fuel? All the Spitfire V manuals specify '100 octane only' (emphasis mine), while manuals with aircraft using older engines (Merlin II, III, VIII, Mercury XV) give details for either fuel. Including as late as the June 1942 Pilot's Notes for the Blenheim V.
US manuals for the P-40 note the limits for the 91 oct fuel when used on V-1710 and V-1650-1.
Merlins were among the engines with lowest compression ratio, so the lower octane fuel will not be a biggie (although one can kiss goodbye the fine levels of boost the high oct fuel allowed for).
A mixed bag by the sound of it:Now what were the British sending to Burma and Malaya for fuel in 1941?
US manuals for the P-40 note the limits for the 91 oct fuel when used on V-1710 and V-1650-1.
Merlins were among the engines with lowest compression ratio, so the lower octane fuel will not be a biggie (although one can kiss goodbye the fine levels of boost the high oct fuel allowed for).
When did British high grade fuel get delivered? Australian Spit V's were limited to 9 lbs boost.
Neil