TBM Avenger Damage

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  1. Matt308

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    Anyone know the story behind this pic? Port wing damage and damage to the bifurcated fuselage spine doors aft of the turret.

    Air-to-air collision perhaps?
     

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    Mid-air collision seems most likely Matt. Either that or a million-to-one flak hit...
     
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    Hey Matt, here's some info:

    From the book TBF/TBM Avenger units of World War 2 By Barrett Tillman.
    Also looks like debris took out one of the turret's .50s, too...
     
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    Nice find Dave; I've recently seen the pic when researching for the PTO Group Build, and wondered how the kite got that damage. BTW, the Avenger turret only mounted a single .50 cal Browning, off-set to starboard, with the gunner's seat on the port side of the turret.
     
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    Thanks Terry...and no kiddin' about that single .50 back there?

    Man...I coulda swore those rascals had two...tells ya' how much I know, huh? :lol:
     
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    Yeah single .50cal. And the damage to the upper fuselage behind the turret would likely not have taken too much to occur. These were bifurcating doors that collapsed down towards the centerline to allow for a greater range to the turret gunner. Thuse they were not not structurally reinforced to withstand great aerodynamic force, nor weapon damage.
     
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    Now that I didn't know Matt! Very intersting stuff - it's not shown on the cutaways or pics I've studied, although there does appear to be a series of joints in the panels that would correspond. Do you happen to have a pic or drawing of how they looked (the doors), as I'm doing an Avenger for the next modelling Group Build? No sweat if you haven't, just interested, that's all.
     
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    I'm thinking you're thinking about the doors on the aft spine of the SB2C. The TBF-versions all show to be solid construction aft of the turret.
     
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    The Tillman information is not correct. That airplane was flown by Lt. King, whose airplane collided with Robert Cosbie's airplane after Cosbie's wing was blown off over Chichi Jima.

    This and the rest of the story are on the USS Bennington site.

    Robert

    Main site is here: USS BENNINGTON - CV/CVA/CVS 20 Her History and her Crew 1944 - 1994
     
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    ...of this collision recounted in the book "Flyboys: A True Story of Courage" by James Bradley. As I remember it was a collision during a dive bombing mission on Chi Chi Jima. Evidently there was only one hole in the cloud covering the target so the Japanese gunners task was made easier. Also, again if i remember correctly, the two crewmen who were told to bailout were not only executed, but where partially consumed by the Japanese commander(s?) The book is a hard read as it is quite disturbing...and not only because of Japanese actions.
     
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    Thanks for the info, Eric...sounds like Tillman took bits and peices of the action and lumped them together...

    And Capt. Vick, are you serious?? What the heck possesses a person to commit attrocoties to another human being? Wartime or otherwise, there's just no excuse for that behavior at all!
     
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    Who knows?...I find his grin disturbing...

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    (South Korean vengeance 1953)
     
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    Serious as a heart attack. Read the book. It's not science fiction...
     
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    Oh gosh.... thats disturbing, especially the expression of the officer :(
     
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    Yep, I first ran across that pic in "Flyboys". Not a book to be reading late on a dark and stormy night....all the more gruesome for the fact that it's true.
     
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