The main reason why war in Europe broke out during WW2?

[JugBR]

I think its rude to change the titel of thread without asking the author... low

"The main reason why war in Europe broke out?"

what you think about that one ? i gess is better for everybody isnt ?

and i agree with you, about what sould be a world war.

 

[evangilder]

The moderators and administrators of this site have the authority to change the title of the thread to make more sense. It wasn't "rude".

 

[Danielmellbin]

yup - and what further strengthens your point is that they at the time of the embargo had used too much money and blood in China to make a withdrawal realistic (Japanese views of "honour" makin it even less likely). As such FDR "provoked" a war - because he left them only the oportunity of dishonour or war (easy choice for the Japanese of that time). But who in their sane mind can say that he was at fault here?

BUT - if the European powers had not been caught up elsewhere - I think the Japanese would have tried VERY hard to find another way out - but counterfactual history is always hard.

 

[Danielmellbin]

"The main reason why war in Europe broke out?"

what you think about that one ? i gess is better for everybody isnt ?

and i agree with you, about what sould be a world war.

yea - better

 

[Danielmellbin]

The moderators and administrators of this site have the authority to change the title of the thread to make more sense. It wasn't "rude".

Ofcourse they/you have the authority - im fine with that. But not not asking before you do it - rude IMO. Oh well - nevermind - not imporatant - lets just get back to the subject

 

[starling]

the lack of strength of the folk to kick adolf out,once they realised a prat had fooled them all.starling.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

yup - and what further strengthens your point is that they at the time of the embargo had used too much money and blood in China to make a withdrawal realistic (Japanese views of "honour" makin it even less likely). As such FDR "provoked" a war - because he left them only the oportunity of dishonour or war (easy choice for the Japanese of that time). But who in their sane mind can say that he was at fault here?

I think FDR just wanted Japan out of China - the US did not want to fight the Japanese and was only prepared to protect US territory in the region

BUT - if the European powers had not been caught up elsewhere - I think the Japanese would have tried VERY hard to find another way out - but counterfactual history is always hard.

Agree - I do think the Japanese would of eventually discovered how weak the European colonies actually were

 

[JugBR]

I wonder if Adolf had not been around who was on the cards to initiate the ball rolling that would have start WW2.

if hitler and the nazi party didnt take the power in germany, maybe the war in europe should be against the soviet union. considering that without the german support stalin should put his army to invade poland and the east countries like he actually did.

 

[renrich]

Good move Chris, makes the debate much easier to define in spite of what some eurocentric members may think. The Treaty of Versailles with the exorbitant reparations placed on Germany was one of the root causes obviously. I tend to agree with some historians that the conflict that Hitler started was a continuation of the 1914-1918 war.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I think its rude to change the titel of thread without asking the author... low

Rude?

At no way was I rude, nor did I do it to be rude!

I did it because people were confused as to why it did not include the PTO. Europe is not in the PTO!

As a moderator I have a right to do so.

If you have a problem with that then you can bring it up in a pm to me!

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Ofcourse they/you have the authority - im fine with that. But not not asking before you do it - rude IMO. Oh well - nevermind - not imporatant - lets just get back to the subject

It is no more rude than some of your posts in other threads about American politics!

When you become the administrator of this forum you can change how we mods do things. Until then...

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

the lack of strength of the folk to kick adolf out,once they realised a prat had fooled them all.starling.

I find that a very ignorant post (note I did not say you were ignorant).

Unless you were alive in Germany during that time, you have no clue as to what it was like for them.

I think you are making false judgement.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Good move Chris, makes the debate much easier to define in spite of what some eurocentric members may think.

Hey chill out with that. Dont let your frustrations from another thread carry over to this one.

 

[JugBR]

Good move Chris, makes the debate much easier to define in spite of what some eurocentric members may think. The Treaty of Versailles with the exorbitant reparations placed on Germany was one of the root causes obviously. I tend to agree with some historians that the conflict that Hitler started was a continuation of the 1914-1918 war.

its not about eurocentric, is about the number of nations affected and engajed in the war in diferent continents. for this reason, the invasion of poland is the first kick of ww2.

 

[Marcel]

I think the great depression was the main reason. If economics are good, people tend to be satisfied. If it's all bad, people to run more aggressive foreign politics to take the attention away from the bad situation in their home country. This happened in Japan and Germany (I know in Germany the bead situation was also due to the versailles treaty), but also in the US (economic agression against Japan) etc. In history, this happens over and over again, bed economic climate in your own country, choose a victim and let your aggression loose on another one.

 

[JugBR]

I think the great depression was the main reason. If economics are good, people tend to be satisfied. If it's all bad, people to run more aggressive foreign politics to take the attention away from the bad situation in their home country. This happened in Japan and Germany (I know in Germany the bead situation was also due to the versailles treaty), but also in the US (economic agression against Japan) etc. In history, this happens over and over again, bed economic climate in your own country, choose a victim and let your aggression loose on another one.

i believe is a great point, but also, we have to consider that the social situation of germany improves when hitler took the power. the nazis generates many employes and also they grew german industry, so, in 1939, germany was in a very well economic condition, compared with other countries.

 

[Marcel]

i believe is a great point, but also, we have to consider that the social situation of germany improves when hitler took the power. the nazis generates many employes and also they grew german industry, so, in 1939, germany was in a very well economic condition, compared with other countries.

Exactly, he was the saviour for the Germans at that time. No wonder they followed him.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Exactly, he was the saviour for the Germans at that time. No wonder they followed him.

Are you reading this starling ?

 

[Danielmellbin]

Unless you were alive in Germany during that time, you have no clue as to what it was like for them.

I think you are making false judgement.

Agree on that! IMO - when you look at the socio-economic situation in Germany at the time Hitler and National Socialism really "fit like a glove". Once people really got the full idea of his regime they either where A.) unwilling to realize the realities or B.) Couldn't do anything as the system had grown too far. I do not hold any ill will against Germans as such for their faults leading up to WW2 - I mostly just find them sad examples of the nature of man kind. Hope we all learn: Don't kick em when they are down and if you have been down and kicked at - try to forgive or forget

However - on a completely different note - as you once said: Do not ever put words in my mouth - In the thread you refer to I have not made any rude comments - however many have been made against me in it. If you believe that I have - please tell me - because it is not my intent. But you can always answer on the other thread so this one doesn't get of topic again.

The reason I dont like you altering the title (without atleast asking) is that I am listed as the author and those are not my words - its more of a principle - hope you understand.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

However - on a completely different note - as you once said: Do not ever put words in my mouth - In the thread you refer to I have not made any rude comments - however many have been made against me in it. If you believe that I have - please tell me - because it is not my intent. But you can always answer on the other thread so this one doesn't get of topic again.

The point of my post, is that it is all how it is percieved.

The reason I dont like you altering the title (without atleast asking) is that I am listed as the author and those are not my words - its more of a principle - hope you understand.

As a moderator it is part of my job. Consider me an editor of sorts...