Tolland's Rising Sun

pinehilljoe · Feb 10, 2024

this book has been on my list, and I'm thinking of starting. Has anyone read it lately? I'm wondering if it stands the test of time, it was published in 1970.

Shinpachi · Feb 11, 2024

A Japanese reader introduces there sentences from the book which I did not know but controversial in Japan several years ago.
Curious. Thanks for sharing.

The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki meant that in order for these weapons to be used to kill or injure humans, it would have to be during a war. Japan and the United States must remain at war until it is possible to drop the atomic bomb. The text of the Potsdam Declaration was completed on July 2, 1945, but a former U.S. ambassador to Japan James Grew's opinion as an advisor to the State Department at the time that it should include the phrase "the Emperor will not be abolished." was ignored. If such words were included, Japan would accept the Potsdam Declaration by the end of July. If that happened, the US would not be able to drop the atomic bomb. It is believed that this was a conspiracy between Truman and Byrnes that delayed Japan's acceptance of the Potsdam Declaration or unconditional surrender would be in time for dropping an atomic bomb.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E5%A4%A7%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E5%B8%9D%E5%9B%BD%E3%81%AE%E8%88%88%E4%BA%A1%E3%80%94%E6%96%B0%E7%89%88%E3%80%95%EF%BC%94%EF%BC%9A%E7%A5%9E%E9%A2%A8%E5%90%B9%E3%81%8B%E3%81%9A-%E3%83%8F%E3%83%A4%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BB%E3%83%8E%E3%83%B3%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E6%96%87%E5%BA%AB-%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%83%88%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89/dp/4150504377

pinehilljoe · Feb 11, 2024

Shinpachi said:
A Japanese reader introduces there sentences from the book which I did not know but controversial in Japan several years ago.
Curious. Thanks for sharing.

The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki meant that in order for these weapons to be used to kill or injure humans, it would have to be during a war. Japan and the United States must remain at war until it is possible to drop the atomic bomb. The text of the Potsdam Declaration was completed on July 2, 1945, but a former U.S. ambassador to Japan James Grew's opinion as an advisor to the State Department at the time that it should include the phrase "the Emperor will not be abolished." was ignored. If such words were included, Japan would accept the Potsdam Declaration by the end of July. If that happened, the US would not be able to drop the atomic bomb. It is believed that this was a conspiracy between Truman and Byrnes that delayed Japan's acceptance of the Potsdam Declaration or unconditional surrender would be in time for dropping an atomic bomb.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E5%A4%A7%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E5%B8%9D%E5%9B%BD%E3%81%AE%E8%88%88%E4%BA%A1%E3%80%94%E6%96%B0%E7%89%88%E3%80%95%EF%BC%94%EF%BC%9A%E7%A5%9E%E9%A2%A8%E5%90%B9%E3%81%8B%E3%81%9A-%E3%83%8F%E3%83%A4%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BB%E3%83%8E%E3%83%B3%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E6%96%87%E5%BA%AB-%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%83%88%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89/dp/4150504377

Professor Thomas Childers of the University of Pennsylvania has an interesting view, he writes: In the context of 1945, to be the President of the United States, with a war weary population around the world, what choice would Harry Truman have. Truman made no decision, because there was no decision, Truman had a weapon that could end 8 years of war instantly. The bomb was a horrible thing, the whole war was a horrible thing

Shinpachi · Feb 11, 2024

There was no justice at Truman's side though there is still such an illusion as two atomic bombs ended the war.
Stalin ended the war from Japanese viewpoint

Jabberwocky · Feb 11, 2024

I've not read it cover to cover for ~15 years, but I do find Rising Sun very serviceable as general reference for the Pacific war. If I need to look up something Pacific war related, it's usually the first book off the shelf.

It covers all the important parts, although it is probably a bit lacking on the intelligence/codebreaking war and the coverage of the CBI and Burma theaters.

GrauGeist · Feb 12, 2024

Operation Downfall planners estimated Allied casualties at 1.7 to 4 million with Japanese casualties (military and civilian) estimated to be between 7.5 to 15 million.

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