US Aircraft to England?

[Waynos]

I'm from the 'Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire' (and quite solidly, I was even a striking miner 25 years ago - those were the days ) , I live in one of those villages that end in 'by', Maltby, which is in Rotherham.

I was at Elvington las Summer with my son and, by brilliant coincidence, it was on a day when they were having one of those 1940's re-enactments with everyone in full costume from the major armies of WW2 and even civvies with land girls, spivs and even a guy with a baby (not a real one!) in one of those all enclosing gas masks they had. I got some brilliant photos.

For all, Going back to dialects, how hard is it understand the following, which is a common saying where I live, but I suspect is a bit harder to decipher if you're not a Yorkshireman and barely recognisable as English, amd I right?

'Never do owt for nowt unless tha does it for thi-sen.'

 

[BombTaxi]

I got it, but I lived in God's Own County of Lancashire for four years, so I can decipher a few northern dialects 8)

The Midlands is a place that has more dialects than people. You can go just a mile or two down the road in the Black Country (from Darlaston to Wednesbury, for example), and hear totally different accents. Move up to where I'm from, right on the Staffordshire border, and the accent is completely different again. Then go back south to Birmingham and you will hear the infamous 'Brummie' accent!

I think this huge diversity is one of the things that makes the UK such a great country to live in. A lot of it is driven by our history - Lancashire and Yorkshire have still not forgotten the Wars of the Roses, fought 600 years ago, and the annual sports competition between Lancaster University and York University is still called 'The Roses' for that reason!

 

[renrich]

Bill, and this info mainly from "Albion's Seed" by Fischer. Puritans to Mass. area (corporate colony), 1629-40. Royalists or Cavaliers to Virginia area(royal colony) 1642-75. Quakers to Deleware Valley(proprietary colony) 1675-1715. Borderers to backcountry (fragmented) 1717-1775.

 

[drgondog]

Bill, and this info mainly from "Albion's Seed" by Fischer. Puritans to Mass. area (corporate colony), 1629-40. Royalists or Cavaliers to Virginia area(royal colony) 1642-75. Quakers to Deleware Valley(proprietary colony) 1675-1715. Borderers to backcountry (fragmented) 1717-1775.

Ren - I agree each of those just wondered why you didn't think of Jamestown re: English speaking, as it was the first and Virginia definitely was the most important bastion colony and then State for a long time

 

[drgondog]

Bill, and this info mainly from "Albion's Seed" by Fischer. Puritans to Mass. area (corporate colony), 1629-40. Royalists or Cavaliers to Virginia area(royal colony) 1642-75. Quakers to Deleware Valley(proprietary colony) 1675-1715. Borderers to backcountry (fragmented) 1717-1775.

Ren - I agree each of those just wondered why you didn't think of Jamestown re: English speaking, as it was the first and Virginia definitely was the most important bastion colony and then State for a long time

 

[renrich]

I believe that Fischer was trying to identify the major groups of English speakers that migrated to the New World and had the most influence on our culture. The Cavaliers or Royalists apparently accomplished their greatest numbers of emigrants during the period noted, I think, because of the Cromwell and Roundhead turmoil. They were, I think, migrating to the crown colony which was begun by the Jamestown settlers. The statement I made about the revolution and the Borderers was because the Borderers(Scotch Irish) came to the New World with a great amount of enmity toward the Crown and they were inherently rather rebellious. No doubt though that many of the intellectual leaders of the Revolution were of the Cavalier class and the first few presidents were of that class. I need to study up on that part of history.

 

[drgondog]

I believe that Fischer was trying to identify the major groups of English speakers that migrated to the New World and had the most influence on our culture. The Cavaliers or Royalists apparently accomplished their greatest numbers of emigrants during the period noted, I think, because of the Cromwell and Roundhead turmoil. They were, I think, migrating to the crown colony which was begun by the Jamestown settlers. The statement I made about the revolution and the Borderers was because the Borderers(Scotch Irish) came to the New World with a great amount of enmity toward the Crown and they were inherently rather rebellious. No doubt though that many of the intellectual leaders of the Revolution were of the Cavalier class and the first few presidents were of that class. I need to study up on that part of history.

LOL -

Ren - I was 'tainted' by dad's last tour at the Puzzle Palace and went to school in Alexandria.

I actually won a statewide History competition sponsored by Daughters of American Revolution - but confess I believe it was because, at that age, I had a strong grasp of US Military History as well as the Constitutional Convention and events leading to War of Northern Aggression that few kids my age cared about.

 

[Clay_Allison]

We Dutch call the British "Engels", too, so it's not just a US habit



Actually, this is "Damn Yankee"

doesn't that have a double meaning? Engel = Angel?

 

[Waynos]

I guess from the lack of guesses that nobody else to work out the Yorkshire saying, right? Language is certainly a funny thing.

BTW, it means 'never do anything for nothing unless you do it for yourself

"never do owt for nowt unless tha does it for thi-sen" see

 

[Marcel]

Nice pic Marcel. (BTW, I haven't forgotten the book I promised, it'll be sent very soon!)

No worries, Terry I won't complain