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I agree with all comments posted so far. It seems the Marianas Turkey Shoot overshadows the actions of the 24 October'44. I wonder why ?
Commander McCampbell received the Medal of Honor for both actions, becoming the only fast carrier task force pilot to be so honored."
It does but we generally view Marseille's claim of 17 Western Desert AF a/c in a single day (more than one sortie, though) as impressive and are perhaps less likely to say 'wow that says something about the RAF' in the same way, though it does. The Germans in the Western Desert 1941-42 held a consistent advantage over the British in fighter-fighter kill ratio, perhaps greater than the kill ratio enjoyed by USN fighters over JNAF fighters in 1944, actually.... but wow it says something about the Japanese airforce.
Kinda hazy on this point....he got 1 MOH for his actions in BOTH encounters combined, or he got 1 MOH for each action, for a total of 2 MOH's? I'd never heard of anyone earning 2 MOH's (although there were enough brave souls who deserved two...or three...or four...)?
timshatz said:He got the MOH for the second action, I am pretty sure.
For the groups where total losses are stated I would assume they come from the 'tactical action reports' ('kodochosho') of each group and are accurate. Those records are online now. I didn't check them for the groups where HI or that series of web pages gave the total loss per group, because I've found in past that where they come from and I assume it's true here. I only checked the actual records to see if they gave additional info for 203rd and 653rd groups, which they don't, which is why they aren't quoted in those published sources. But again HI learned of the one pilot killed in 203rd, their research over the years has uncovered most of those cases. Afterall in Japan this has never been a big mystery or secret, it's mainly language barrier. The veterans knew which of their comrades had died and it was actually insulting not to remember their sacrifice or claim that it didn't occur in combat (sometimes it's the other way around actually, 'war deaths' or 'suicide crashes' hat turn out to be operational losses). And again only part of 653rd was in the landbased formation, the more experienced members had been deployed to bolster the 4 understrength carrier groups (which saw combat that day, but not likely involved in this action); and the group had already been decimated in operations v USN from Taiwan a couple of weeks before. And, adding up the known losses by group of 37 fighters, that's already a pretty high % of the 52 USN claims, higher than other large swirling furballs in attacks on carriers.Have to wonder how accurate the records were for the Japanese in the Phillipines at this time in regards to losses.