Vultee P-66 Vanguard publications

[MiTasol]

I friend sent me five P-66 pubs as JPG files to clean and PDF.

No -2 unfortunately but two different NON illustrated Parts Catalogs.

Here is the first.

If anyone has a copy of any editions the Erection and Maintenance manual (01-50FA-2) that they can add to this thread I, and I am sure many others, would be very grateful.

My posts will include two different copies of the Parts list (NOT illustrated unfortunately).

 

[MiTasol]

Second.

 

[MiTasol]

Third (it is a nice wet day here - 114mm badly needed rain in the last 24 hours - this is what has just passed over).

 

[MiTasol]

Fourth

 

[MiTasol]

and fifth.

Edit Hopefully file stays attached this time.

 

[Baball]

Always nice to see new manuals for underutilised airplanes. I took the opportunity to update my old thread with links to your posts.

 

[MIflyer]

The P-66 was a success in one respect.

The 9th PRS was deployed to India in 1942, equipped with photo recon Lightnings, F-4's. Unfortunately at that point in the war dismantling complex aircraft for overseas shipment had not been developed to the degree it was later. The 9th F-4's got savaged by the longshoremen loading them aboard the ships and were in sad shape when they arrived in India. It was a real challenge to put the Lightnings back together. But there were P-66's in India, delivered for the Chinese Air Force and the Chinese student pilots were really doing a job on them. The plentiful supply of wrecked P-66's provided some parts that proved to be useful in putting the 9th's F-4's back together.

 

[cvairwerks]

Don't think I've ever seen a -2. I know there wasn't one in the files when I was in the archives at Dayton, back in the early 90's. I do have the full structural analysis documentation and the factory build sheets, all on microfilm. Some of the structural stuff is almost unreadable, but it's all there. I've also got the entire contract spares list on film as well.

 

[bf109xxl]

Thanks for the scans! But why the watermarks? How do you define

the use by unscrupulous scum

in this particular case? I'm just wondering whose interests will be harmed if someone uses this scan for publication? Sometimes I scan old books/manuals and share the scans, but I don't care how others use them - I do it without expecting anything in return. My question is not rhetorical - perhaps I am overlooking something.

 

[MiTasol]

Hi bf109xxl

I will share everything from my own collection, and from others who send me scans or photos and say I can share, to prevent the knowledge becoming extinct.

I watermark them because days after I stopped being a lurker, joined the forum, and posted my first manual so that anyone who wanted it could enjoy it free of charge it was for sale for (from memory) $19.99 on a thieving scum website.

I spent hours scanning that 55mm thick manual, joining the foldouts that were scanned in multiple parts, cleaning out the graffiti from small children and then processing to remove the yellowing of the pages so that others could enjoy the manual.

I did not scan it so that some scum could make money from my donation to history and fellow researchers.

Some scum still sell what I post, complete with watermarks, on their websites or on sites like scribd. I do take downs on them when I hear of them.

Hopefully that watermark brings others to this site and some of them share in return.

 

[MiTasol]

Always nice to see new manuals for underutilised airplanes. I took the opportunity to update my old thread with links to your posts.

Good ones Baball

I think it is very safe to say that the manuals I posted were originally from the NASM website. I got them as JPG files but the covers have the identical notes scribbled on them in the same places.

I found the NASM site extremely user unfriendly so could not find the other three there but I strongly expect they came from the same site. I did find one interesting photo though that I will share on Picture of the day.

 

[bf109xxl]

I watermark them because days after I stopped being a lurker, joined the forum, and posted my first manual so that anyone who wanted it could enjoy it free of charge it was for sale for (from memory) $19.99 on a thieving scum website.

Ok, that's quite a strong point.

 

[special ed]

One site I visit is outerzone.co.uk - the site is a collection of plans for flying models added to by visitors reading old publications. The site is run by a man & wife free and free downloads. The only requirement is he asks not to down load and sell the plans. I have seen on ebay the exact plans from his site, even with hand written notes, for sale. There are several people on ebay doing this. The outerzone owner encourages photos of completed models for his gallery and posts them with the plan. I found on ebay a plan for sale using a photo of a modeI I built and submited to outerzone for their gallery. When I contacted Steve at outerzone about several ebay sites selling his free plans, he said he cannot do much about it. I contacted the ebay site about the use of my photo in their business and the prohibition of selling free plans. Of course, I received no reply but they did remove my photo.

 

[MiTasol]

There is a takedown system under the DMCA but it is not user friendly - designed for corporations to take down files from Napster type sites.

 

[MiTasol]

I tried a different search string and found all five at the NASM. D52. Aircraft | Wright Field Technical Documents Library (NASM.XXXX.0428, ref8794) | SOVA, Smithsonian Institution

What I presume is the total of their manuals are there alphabetically but only a few have the icon that leads to a downloadable file.

Down under V I found

Two files clearly say "Handbook of service instructions for Vultee P-66 pursuit airplanes." but both are NON illustrated parts lists I posted. They have the title correct so maybe, somewhere, they have the manual(s).

 

[pb43]

Thanks for the scans! But why the watermarks? How do you define

in this particular case? I'm just wondering whose interests will be harmed if someone uses this scan for publication? Sometimes I scan old books/manuals and share the scans, but I don't care how others use them - I do it without expecting anything in return. My question is not rhetorical - perhaps I am overlooking something.

Watermarks superfluous as, being US military documents they are in the public domain.

 

[MiTasol]

Watermarks superfluous as, being US military documents they are in the public domain.

Yes and NO.

If you have the physical document it is in the public domain BUT anyone who scans said document LEGALLY HOLDS the copyright to that scan. The copyright is on the scan and any other post processing that the person did in preparing the scans for publication and for publishing them.

This is why I have been successful in doing takedowns on my scans published on other sites and it has not cost me a cent to do this. IF the scumbag is on Amazon I also get the money that they were hoping for.

The watermarks are what has made this pain free - half an hour at best per takedown.

 

[Ivan1GFP]

I had the same problem with items I created. Sometimes people would take the work and relabel and host it on their sites.
Eventually I standardized on a way to embed a copyright notice inside some of the files. For the general user, the copyright notice would not be bothersome.

Those watermarks are quite distracting.

 

[MiTasol]

Can you please PM me how to imbed a copyright notice. I use Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro Extended and it may not have that feature. I purchased XI and it was missing keyboard shortcuts I use daily so stayed with 9. Like any pensioner I cannot afford to buy a subscription to DC and it probably has even less keyboard shortcuts anyway.

 

[MiTasol]

I sent a message to the Smithsonian and advised them that the two manuals listed as Erection and Maintenance for the P-66 were in fact Parts lists and got a very gracious reply which included asking if there were any manuals in particular I would like scanned and posted. Naturally I asked for the P-66 E&M.

Today I received another reply with the link to the requested manual. The staff at the NASM have always been great but this quick response is truly at bacon level.

"Handbook of service instructions for Vultee P-66 pursuit airplanes." Source: War Dept. OCAC Technical order 01-50FA-2. First …, 15 Jan 1942 | Wright Field Technical Documents Library (NASM.XXXX.0428, ref9093) | SOVA, Smithsonian Institution