Was Clive Caldwell the only Allied triple county ace of WW2 (5+ victories from each country)

[Sydhuey]

I have been doing some research on Clive Caldwell and discovered he was actually a triple country ace, while he is credited with 27 and 3 x 1/2 kills consisting of 17 German, 3 and 1/2 Italian and 7 Japanese he actually shot down 15 German and 5 1/2 Italian operated aircraft, the discrepancy comes in his famous 5 x JU87's shot down on 05 Dec 41, while he claimed 5 x German kills in fact 2 of the JU87's shot down were operated by the Italian 239th Stuka Sqn of the 97th Bombardment group.
Something else I discovered with allied aces over North Africa many while claiming German and Italian victories marked their aircraft with only German victories, particularly after Italy changed sides at the end of 1943.
John Waddy was one of these, his later P-40's in Australia were initially marked with 13 1/2 German and 2 Italian Victories but later aircraft just show 15 1/2 German Victories.

 

[SaparotRob]

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[cammerjeff]

So are we not counting any Axis aces that might have victories over Polish, French, Dutch, English, Russian, Yugoslavian, Greek, US.........

 

[Sydhuey]

So are we not counting any Axis aces that might have victories over Polish, French, Dutch, English, Russian, Yugoslavian, Greek, US.........

Oh there are lots of them, that's been recorded before, I should have stated allied.

 

[Sydhuey]

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there are a few with victories over multiple countries but I believe Caldwell was the only allied ace to be an ace over three countries

 

[SaparotRob]

Still, that's my favorite set of kill markings and any excuse I get to post it, I'm taking!

 

[buffnut453]

Still, that's my favorite set of kill markings and any excuse I get to post it, I'm taking!

What's the story behind the American flag kill marking?

 

[Sydhuey]

What's the story behind the American flag kill marking?

Shot the engines out on a US C-47 that was going to land on a Japanese occupied Island , saved crew and pax picked up , he eventually married a nurse who he shot down in the C-47

 

[Sydhuey]

Still, that's my favorite set of kill markings and any excuse I get to post it, I'm taking!

Jerry Johnson's scoreboard , shot down an RAAF Boomerang, Boomerang was doing reconnaissance, miscommunication between US and RAAF , Johnson was told no allied aircraft were in area the Boomerang was, radial engine aircraft at low level in a supposed no allied aircraft area, he shot it down, RAAF pilot bailed out safely. Later scoreboards on Johnson's aircraft the Australian flag was removed.

 

[peterob]

Jerry Johnson's scoreboard , shot down an RAAF Boomerang, Boomerang was doing reconnaissance, miscommunication between US and RAAF , Johnson was told no allied aircraft were in area the Boomerang was, radial engine aircraft at low level in a supposed no allied aircraft area, he shot it down, RAAF pilot bailed out safely. Later scoreboards on Johnson's aircraft the Australian flag was removed.

Do you have a date? It sounds like after the change to the roundels to remove the red. If that was the case, a questionable action. I recognise it is easy to write that sitting in a comfy chair in peacetime, but when you have time to sit back and identify an aircraft before attacking? Were the pilots not briefed on the national markings of the day? On the aircraft being flown by their allies? I can understand misidentification of another aircraft in the heat of combat, but I struggle with instances like this. There again, maybe I'm just biased - I'm an Australian....

 

[SaparotRob]

Similar situation for my dad, may he rest in peace. While "touring" Europe, he and his buddies were told anyone in front of their positions were German. A different American division moved up in front of them and dad's unit lit 'em up. He was not happy.

 

[Barrett]

Col. Harrison R. Thyng, 31st FG Spitfires N Africa.
4 German
1 Vichy (D.520)
413th FG, P-47N
1 Oscar probable

4th Fighter Wing, Korea
5 MiGs 1951-52

 

[Frog]

Lieutenant Pierre Le Gloan :
6 german confirmed and 4 probables during the Battle of France ;
5 Italian the same day confirmed during the Battle of France ;
4 British confirmed and 1 probable during the campaign of Syria.
Died 11 september 1943 returning from a coastal patrol flying a P-39.

 

[Greyman]

Not five, but G/C (W/C at war's end) Robert Davidson RCAF had;

Destroyed

1 x Italian (Z.506)
1 x German (Ju 88) ***edit -- re: Shores the Ju 88 was indeed destroyed but in this confused night combat it should be classified as 'shared'
2 x Japanese (A6M, D3A)​

Shared

1 x Italian (Z.506)
1 x German (LeO 45)​

Damaged

1 x Italian (G.50) awarded as a 'probable' ***edit -- re: Shores the G.50 did get away but was so shot up it somersaulted and crashed while trying to land
1 x (unidentified e/a) awarded as a 'probable' ***edit -- re: Shores this was most likely a He 111 and was not shot down
2 x German (Ju 88, Ju 52)
3 x Japanese (D3A)
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Also damaged two MiGs in Korea

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***edit -- Also had quite the story after his Typhoon was shot down over France. Citation (translated) for his Croix de Guerre avec étoile d'or
A remarkable pilot, Wing Commander Davidson was shot down in the course of a mission at the station of Douai where he was leading his Group. He immediately decided to join "Maquis" troops, asked that he be allowed to serve as a private, refusing all rank. During five months this officer shared the fate of resistance, hiding in a hole in a stable. He took part in all actions by his Detachment of the French Forces of the Interior of the region. Wing Commander Davidson by his courage and willingness contributed to the success of the operations of the movement of resistance and help in cementing the good will between France and her Allies.

 

[MiTasol]

Do you have a date? It sounds like after the change to the roundels to remove the red. If that was the case, a questionable action. I recognise it is easy to write that sitting in a comfy chair in peacetime, but when you have time to sit back and identify an aircraft before attacking? Were the pilots not briefed on the national markings of the day? On the aircraft being flown by their allies? I can understand misidentification of another aircraft in the heat of combat, but I struggle with instances like this. There again, maybe I'm just biased - I'm an Australian....

Seeing markings on an aircraft very much depends on the angle you are approaching it from.

Go find a model of any aircraft and look at it from astern.

What markings can you see on the wings?

Because of this all later allied aircraft in the SWPA had their tails and wing leading edges painted white.