What does your 1944 airforce look like?

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  1. MacArther

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    Escort carrier fighter: FM-2
    Escort/normal carrier bomber: Dautless SBD-3
    Carrier fighter: Corsair
    Escort Fighter: P38J
    Fighter-bomber: P40N / P63 Kingcobra
    Fighter-Interceptor: P47M/N
    Medium Bomber: JU-188E-1
    Heavy Bomber: B17G
    Gunship: B25H, A20
     
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    syscom3 Pacific Historian

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    ETO:
    Escort Fighter: P51D
    Fighter Bomber: P47D
    Fighter Interceptor: P38L
    Recon: F5
    Heavy Bomber: B17G
    Medium Bomber: B26C
    Light Bomber: Mosquito
    Transport: C47

    PTO:
    Shipboard Fighter: F6F
    Shipboard Bomber: SBD
    Shipboard Torpedo Bomber: Avenger
    Maritime Patrol: PBY
    Fighter: P38L
    Figher Bomber: F4U
    Heavy Bomber: B24J
    Recon: F5
    Medium Bomber: B25H
    Light Bomber: A20
    Transport: C47

    I dont know about which nightfighter yet. Mosquito? P61? He219?
     
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    Fighter Interceptor: Spitfire MKXIV/FW190D-9
    Escort Fighter: P-51D
    Fighter Bomber: P-47/Typhoon
    Heavy Bomber: Lancaster (Night)/B-17G (Day)
    Medium Bomber: B-26
    Light Bomber: Mosquito
    Night Fighter: Mosquito/JU-88G
    ASW/Maritime Patrol: Sunderland/B-24
    Strike Bomber: A-26/Beaufighter
    Recon: F5/PR Spitfire
    Transport: C-47

    PTO:
    Carrier Fighter: F6F/Seafire
    Carrier Bomber: SBD
    Carrier Torpedo: TBF
    Fighter Bomber: F4U
    Fighter Interceptor: P-38
    Escort Fighter: P-38/P-47
    Heavy Bomber: B-24
    Medium Bomber: B-25
    Light Bomber: A-20
    Strike Bomber: A-26/Beaufighter
    ASW/Maritime Patrol: PBY
    Recon: F-5
    Transport: C-47
     
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    courier: Fi-167
    transport: Ar-232
    recon: Ar-234 B
    light bomber: Tu-2S
    medium bomber: none (take more Tu-2)
    Heavy bomber: Lancaster III
    nightfighter: Ju-388J or Mosquito
    patrol: PBY-Catalina
    attack/tank buster: Hs-129 (modified)
    escort fighter: P-51D
    air superiority fighter: Fw-190D9
    interceptor: Me-262A
    anti ship: Beaufighter

    I would also like to enforce the C-2W program for a good SAM
     
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    My airforce for the year of 1944 looks pretty much like the Luftwaffe of said period.

    Fighters: Bf 109 G-5,-6,-14/AS (early-mid 1944), Bf 109 G-10 (late) Fw 190 A-7,-8 (and the A-8/R8 model for the Sturm tactic).

    Bombers: Zero (perhaps Heinkel He177s to raid soviet union distant places)

    Recon: Arado Ar 234

    Night-fighter: Ju 88 G-10

    Transport: I´d take the C-47


    Now, I would of course move ahead and make some significant modifications:

    (i) I would have virtually all bomber production cancelled even before 1944 commences.

    Perhaps I would just leave He 177 units to make long range bombing raids against the USSR.

    In 1944, the Germans still produced a few thousands of bombers. I´d use both the material and human resources to produce fighters, fighters, and to improve the jets...and last but not least, the number of pilots that could have gone straight into fighter training units during 1944 was very high.

    Let´s also revamp the production scheme for non-combat aircraft: transports especially. Let´s also cancel all recon aircraft: I will use the Ar 234 for extremely high altitude recon missions.


    (ii) With the sole expcetion of maintaining the necessary production of twin engined fighters (Ju 88 G-10 only, I would go standard, this would help optimizing my resources) to beef up the nachtjäger force, I would cancel the production of Me 410 and the Bf 110.

    Although a capable machine, I see no sense in sending Me 410s against the allies in 1944.

    Eeach Hornisse lost meant two guys lost.

    Rough 1,300 Me 410s were produced. 2,600 engines and 2,600 pilots in 1944? No, thank you.

    I´d rather have 2,600 single engined toys, and the 2,600 men that would go to fly the Me 410 manning 109s, 190s and jets.


    (iii) With said first and second steps implemented, I´d do the following:

    By mid 1944 my Luftwaffe sends a formation of 150 Fw 190 A-8/R8 Sturmböck with a top cover of no less than 250 Bf 109 G-6/AS or G-14/AS to deal with the massive USAAF formation of the day.


    Not that modified Fw 190 for the sturm procedure could not tangle with the P-51s in a one vs one match, I´d just send a massive swarm of those beautiful 109s with the modified DB 605 tool (DB 605 AM, DB 605 ASM) to make their lives just a bit bitter and rougher.

    I´d send such formation at least two times a week.
    Assuming losses could be high in some battles against the boxes of B-17s, B-24s and the escorting swarms of P51s, P-47s or P-38s, the advantage of the new scheme is that I am not having pilots and airmen to serve in the Me 410s and the bombers. The bulk of my pilots are single engine fighters.

    The losses inflicted to both heavy bombers and escorts on each mission with this numbers would more than enough to have the gentlemen in the high command of the USAAF asking themselves whether if they can continue waging the war in view of such losses

    (iv) With the increase of single engine fighters and pilots in view of the new scheme -no bombers, no twin engined fighters of ZG 26 ZG 76- we can also provide the Wehrmacht with the proper air support for some important operations. This means, I will not have about the entire jagdwaffe in Reichsverteidigung.

    I agree it was important to protect the population against the terrorist actions of the allies, but so was the Wehrmacht.

    Close to the ground, I am convinced the Luftwaffe, in numbers, will keep the upper hand against anything the allies might sent.

    (v) Gradually begin phasing out the 109, perhaps right after the launching of the G-10. It was not necessary to move to the next step: the excellent 109 K-4.

    My aim would be to commence 1945 only with Ta152s or Fw 190 Ds, and the jets.
     
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    i prefer axis aircraft

    Interceptor: Me262
    Fighter: Ki-84 Hayate, G55
    Carrier/Escort Fighter: N1K2-J Shiden-KAI
    Night Fighter: He219/Me262B NF model
    Ground Support/Anti-Ship(torpedo): Fw190F
    Medium Bomber: Peggy (Ki-67)
    Bomber: Ju-290, G8N Renzan
    Maritime Recon: Ju-290
    ASW: H8K Emily, i feel safer in a flying porcupine of 20mm shells than .303
    Transoprt: Ar232
    Recon: Ar234

    no allied aircraft in my arsenal

    :lol:
     
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    Interceptor; P38
    Nightfighter; Mossie
    Recce; Mossie
    Ground Atack; P38
    Precision Strike; Mossie
    Medium Bomber; Mossie
    Heavy Bomber; Lancaster
    Maritime Recon/AS warfare; Lancaster
    Maritime Strike Mossie/P38
    Transport C46

    Boring maybe but with all the money and resources saved in concentrating on two types of aircraft I would probably outnumber most other choices.
     
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    Interceptor - P-38L
    Fighter - G.56
    Nightfighter - Ta-154
    Recce - F-5B
    Maritime patrol - RS.14
    Maritime Strike - G.55S
    Ground Attack - Re.2005
    Heavy Bomber - P.108M
    Transport - SM.82
     
  9. the lancaster kicks ass

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    using Gnomey's roles for planes........

    Fighter Interceptor: Spitfire MK.XIV
    Escort Fighter: P-51D or Tempest
    Fighter Bomber: P-47
    Heavy Bomber: Lancaster
    Medium Bomber: not too sure
    Light Bomber: Mosquito
    Night Fighter: Mosquito Mk.XXX
    ASW/Maritime Patrol: Sunderland
    Strike fighter: Beaufighter
    Recon: Spitfire PR.XIX
    Transport: Avro York
     
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    Why would you use the Spitfire for the recon role? The F5 was just as fast, had a larger camera bay and could fly a lot further.

    I dont know about using the Avro York for the transport role.

    The Sunderland is a good choice though.
     
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    why? because it looks better and it can come in PRU Pink ;)
     
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    Me 262A-1a for all except heavy bomber and transport ....... 8)
     
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    Maritime Patrol in a -262...Interesting :lol:
     
  14. the lancaster kicks ass

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    and long range escort :lol:
     
  15. loomaluftwaffe

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    Storch High Altitude Fighter With Schrage Musik Russian Cannon


    Im not good at photoshop
     

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    I'd just have the RAF of 1944, but with the B-29 for daylight bombing.
     
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    the lancaster kicks ass Active Member

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    that's pretty much what i've got apart from the P-47........
     
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    That reminds me of the long range heavy bomber Storch that was desiged here a while back ;)
     

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    ah yes i remember that, that's a grandslam it's dropping isn't it?
     
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    Note the name of the picture, it says Tallboy ;)
     
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