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  1. Yedyny

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    Hi, I found some items, could be from some german aircraft? Which type? There is lot of german information on the bottle, somebody told me that is from pilot's cabin; you can read there: FRIEDMANN WIEN (It's surname of the manufacturer and name of the city) 1,0 L (Liter) and I think serial numbers.
     

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  2. Yedyny

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    Also this joystick.
     

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    Nice scores mate!

    First seems to be a compressed air bottle (pressluft), made by Friedmann in Vienna (Wien).

    The ATU marking I think is the lb/sq.in rating - atleast german military vehicles had tyre pressure marked in atü.

    The control column is possibly an incomplete KG 13B.
     
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    Yep, the ATU marking is the pressure rating in Lb/sq i or more likely, in Bar. It could be the compressed air bottle to fire, for example, MG17s.
     
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    I have this element too. Is this from automatic fire - left and right gun?
     

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    I have this elements too:
     
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    ...and strange glass parts.
     

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    Not sure what the glass rod is! The other glass item looks like the reflector scree from a REVI reflector gun sight, and the panel appears to be a circuit breaker panel, similar to that found on the starboard cockpit wall of the Bf109, although the serial number plate looks like it might have a Fiesler factory number on it.
    Hopefully other members can shed more light on things.
     
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    #9 Jack_Hill, Jan 19, 2013
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    The glass rod furiously look like a periscope artefact.
    Part of a periscopic gunsight ?
    Any more infos concerning parts source ?
    Is it from a crash site, then one can be certain it's'from a single airplane, or else ?
     
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    FI 47401 is a breaker panel for the weapons stystem off an Me410.
    FI 52108-4 is the reflector glass from a Revi 12/C gunsight.

    I have no clue what the rod is. The control column also looks like the Me410's.
     
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    Good stuff Andy. If, as suggested, the glass 'rod' is of periscopic origin, then perhaps it's associated with the remote sighting for the fuselage gun barbettes?
     
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    #12 Jack_Hill, Jan 19, 2013
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    Checking my references, the 410's control stick was straighter so I take back what I said about it above. Perhaps a close-up of the lable that appears to be present would help?

    Are all these parts from the same wreck or just odds and sods? The Me410 sight got me thinking that maybe the glass rod had something to do with the twin sights on the remote barbette gun controller.

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    Didn't the Ar234 have a periscopic sight for it's rear cannon?

    Are these artifacts from a single crash site or were they recovered from an aircraft scrap pile?
     
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    Thank you for lot of informations, the parts are from one place, but I have lot of other items, from example MG17 parts - maybe this will help. I found everything near old german buildings, there was a german airport in 1945. This long glass is amazing for me.
    My friend has lot of small glass in different shapes. I was looking for some informations in internet and I found this panel with other small glass.
    I don't know the name of this element :/
     

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    #16 Kingscoy, Jan 20, 2013
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    Hi,
    The panel is that of an Me 109K-4 with a Revi 16B gunsight. Your reflector glass is from a Revi 12 C12/A suggesting earlier types of the Messerschmitt 109. As already suggested I'm thinking too that the glass rod cold have something to do with a rearward looking periscope also used in the Me 110 or devices of similar use.
    The control column is the type used in turrets and gunstations: The SG 7A. This of course could be used in differend kind of aircraft which used these type of gunstations. (attached a pic: source cockpitintrsumente .de)which could mean that the glass rod is from the same type of a/c...could narrow things down in order to determine which a/c type to look for.
    Looking at the fact that you found these parts at a former airfield it is probable that your parts are from different a/c.

    Cheers,
    Sander
     

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    Perfect shot, many thanks!
     
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    Your welcome.
     
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    #19 A4K, Jan 20, 2013
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    What shape are the pieces of glass your mate found?

    The flat piece in your first pics is the reflector plate from either a Revi C/12A or D (as Andy said) or Revi 3d gunsight. Ahead of this there would have been a similar shaped Tinted glass plate.
    The sight in that instrument panel shot is a Revi 16B.

    In addition to the Tinted glass and Reflector plates, there would have been 3 circular objective lenses - one with curved top, flat bottom (like projector lens below), one double curved, and 3rd double concurved - aswell as the Sighting image lenses, 2 for Revi C/12D, 1 (I think) in the Revi 16B. These were also shaped like the projector lens below.

    The long rod may have been part of the sighting mechanism for the Me 410 (or Ar 240?) as mentioned, or possibly part of a ZFR (Zielfernrohr - telescopic gunsight) -3A or -4A, which were apparently tested on various aircraft.

    Pics:
    1: Slide projector lens.
    2,3: Revi C/12D
    4,5: ZFR 3A
    6: KG 13B control columns
    7: Bauart made KG 13B

    (pics 2-7 and source of info: 'German Aircraft Interiors 1935-1945 Vol. 1' by Kenneth A. Merrick)

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    (clashed with Sander - good stuff mate!)
     
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    Hahaha...no prob!
     
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