Xdominick97
Airman
- 19
- Mar 27, 2012
I was just wondering what you think please comment and vote
Which plane do you think was the best air to air combat and at nose diving
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Ralf von Schneer
Recruit
- 3
- Mar 13, 2012
Its FW-190 or bf-109,not bf-190.
davebender
1st Lieutenant
We need instantaneous dive rate data before we can render an intelligent opinion as to which aircraft could make the best use of that aerial maneuver.
Procrastintor
Senior Airman
P-47 is the god of this category, the Spit. isn't bad either, and the Zero, seriously? All it can do is low speed dogfighting.
Oreo
Senior Airman
I protest the unrelated dual components of the question. And the lack of enough choices. And the inclusion of a fictional aircraft in the choices. But the P-47 is the obvious choice.
davebender
1st Lieutenant
How do you know? What is the instantaneous dive rate for the P-47C and P-47D?
N4521U
Colonel
Well, I think the Corsair should be included.....
If you want proof, just watch an episode of Black Sheep Sqn!!!
If you want proof, just watch an episode of Black Sheep Sqn!!!
davebender
1st Lieutenant
Entertaining show. I think I've seen all the episodes. However I have my doubts about historical accuracy.
Well aaaactually its "Fw 190" and "Bf 109" (no hyphen in case you hadn't spotted). I'd also like to include the Hawker Tempest, Hawker Typhoon, P-51B, Me 262, CAC Boomerang, F4U, Spitfire XIV specifically, Hurricane IIc, P-40, Yak-3, F6F... the inclusion of these (and more...) types would make the poll a whole lot more interesting.
Oreo
Senior Airman
Because of all the books that say so. The only way anybody like me who "wasn't there" can know anything. I realize the Bf 109 was also known for its diving abilities, but it wasn't quite listed as an option, and the P-47 is reported to be the first aircraft to break the sound barrier in a dive. ("needs citation")
N4521U
Colonel
Entertaining show. I think I've seen all the episodes. However I have my doubts about historical accuracy.
No need to doubt..... there is Nothing accurate about it. Sorry to make light of your post mate. Couldn't resist.
davebender
1st Lieutenant
Books that make general statements unsupported by historical data or first hand accounts aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
Messy1
Master Sergeant
IIRC the P-38 was the first plane to encounter compressability in a dive. P-38 should be on your list as well.
davebender
1st Lieutenant
I doubt that. However I might believe it was the first American fighter aircraft to encounter compressability.
Messy1
Master Sergeant
That may be right Dave. Excuse my error.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
It was the first aircraft to encounter compressibility and have it widely reported, however given the time and date this happened it could very well the first aircraft to encounter compressibility;
"During a test flight in May 1941, USAAC Major Signa Gilkey managed to stay with a YP-38 in a compressibility lockup, riding it out until he recovered gradually using elevator trim."
davebender
1st Lieutenant
Me-109F was in service by that date and there were Fw-190 prototypes flying. Both aircraft could probably dive as fast as a YP-38.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Perhaps but neither one ever reported the problem, at least that I'm aware of. As far as diving as fast as a YP-38? Debatable.
Messy1
Master Sergeant
Was the Me-109 a strong enough design to be able to dive to near compressability, and not have any damage?
