Which plane do you think was the best air to air combat and at nose diving

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Which plane do you think was the best air to air combat and at nose diving

  1. P 47 thunderbolt

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  2. A6m zero

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  3. Bf190

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  4. SuperMarine spitfire

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  5. P 39

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  1. Xdominick97

    Xdominick97 New Member

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    I was just wondering what you think please comment and vote
     
  2. Ralf von Schneer

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    Its FW-190 or bf-109,not bf-190.
     
  3. davebender

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    We need instantaneous dive rate data before we can render an intelligent opinion as to which aircraft could make the best use of that aerial maneuver.
     
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    P-47 is the god of this category, the Spit. isn't bad either, and the Zero, seriously? All it can do is low speed dogfighting.
     
  5. Oreo

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    I protest the unrelated dual components of the question. And the lack of enough choices. And the inclusion of a fictional aircraft in the choices. But the P-47 is the obvious choice.
     
  6. davebender

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    How do you know? What is the instantaneous dive rate for the P-47C and P-47D?
     
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    Well, I think the Corsair should be included.....

    If you want proof, just watch an episode of Black Sheep Sqn!!! ;)
     
  8. davebender

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    Entertaining show. I think I've seen all the episodes. However I have my doubts about historical accuracy. :)
     
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    Well aaaactually its "Fw 190" and "Bf 109" (no hyphen in case you hadn't spotted). I'd also like to include the Hawker Tempest, Hawker Typhoon, P-51B, Me 262, CAC Boomerang, F4U, Spitfire XIV specifically, Hurricane IIc, P-40, Yak-3, F6F... the inclusion of these (and more...) types would make the poll a whole lot more interesting.
     
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    Because of all the books that say so. The only way anybody like me who "wasn't there" can know anything. I realize the Bf 109 was also known for its diving abilities, but it wasn't quite listed as an option, and the P-47 is reported to be the first aircraft to break the sound barrier in a dive. ("needs citation")
     
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    No need to doubt..... there is Nothing accurate about it. Sorry to make light of your post mate. Couldn't resist.
     
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    Books that make general statements unsupported by historical data or first hand accounts aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
     
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    Sure does, I think it might have been either a Spitfire or a P-38 - When did the P-47 do it?
     
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    IIRC the P-38 was the first plane to encounter compressability in a dive. P-38 should be on your list as well.
     
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    I doubt that. However I might believe it was the first American fighter aircraft to encounter compressability.
     
  16. Messy1

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    That may be right Dave. Excuse my error.
     
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    It was the first aircraft to encounter compressibility and have it widely reported, however given the time and date this happened it could very well the first aircraft to encounter compressibility;

    "During a test flight in May 1941, USAAC Major Signa Gilkey managed to stay with a YP-38 in a compressibility lockup, riding it out until he recovered gradually using elevator trim."
     
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    Me-109F was in service by that date and there were Fw-190 prototypes flying. Both aircraft could probably dive as fast as a YP-38.
     
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    Perhaps but neither one ever reported the problem, at least that I'm aware of. As far as diving as fast as a YP-38? Debatable.
     
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    Was the Me-109 a strong enough design to be able to dive to near compressability, and not have any damage?
     
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