Wicks 109 Emil

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  1. Kevin Barclay-Jay

    Kevin Barclay-Jay New Member

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    Several models exist of Helmut Wicks ME109E with different decals....all of my research says that the ensigner with the double chevrons was the plane in which he died ( went missing ) in October 1940...This is the model depicted in the Airfix 1/72 Dogfight set.

    But I have many comments that this is the June aircraft and the decals as per Eduards 1/48 model is correct....then I found this on line:

    "A Jagdgeschwader was made up of three (later four) Gruppen, indicated with Roman numbers. Each Gruppe had three Staffeln, of 12 aircraft, labelled with arabic numbers; these were numbered continously -- 7. Staffel was part of III. Gruppe. The point has the meaning of 'th' in German, so '2.' means '2nd'. The Staff (Stab) of each Gruppe had also four aircraft, and so did the staff of the geschwader. Theoretical strength was thus about 124 aircraft. The aircraft of the officers had special markings, placed in front of the German cross:

    Geschwader Commander: <<| or <<-)
    Geschwader Vice-Commander: <|
    Geschwader first officer: <-
    Staff Major: <||
    Geschwader technical officer: <|
    Gruppe Commander: <<
    Gruppe vice-commander: <
    Gruppe technical officer: <o
    Staffel commander: 1"

    so at the time of his death Wick had just been promoted to Geschwader of JG2...so the double chevrons would be correct.....then I looked at actual photos and it does look as if the double chevrons have been painted out.....can anybody shed any light.

    Also seen Dundas's Spitfire shown as PRQ...this is definately incorrrect at the time of his death, it was definately PRO
     
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    On the day he died Wick's Emil was marked <-+-, i believe.

    At least thats how i plan on doing it when i get around to it !

    Dundas's Spitfire was marked PR Q as far as i know.
     
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    Thanks Steph, was going from memory.

    I plan on doing Wicks Emil in 4 time frames.

    Yellow 2
    White nose and wing tips
    Double chevron (already done)
    And as posted above on the day he died.
     
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    Kevin Barclay-Jay New Member

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    Dundas was definately in PRO

    PRQ ... "Pilot Officer G.N.Gaunt of No 609 Squadron was shot down in his Spitfire I (R6690) on September 15th 1940 near Kenly, he was killed."
     
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    Yep, you are correct
     
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    Wish I had the memory some of you guys have Karl. Internet is my only saving grace.

    Geo
     
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    Geschwader Commander: <<| or <<-).... this is the rank that Wick was promoted too just before October 1940 when he died....why would his plane still be wearing the first offices markings ; Geschwader first officer: <-

    by the way utter novice on ME109s...but i try to be extensive when researching models..... 99% spitfire builder for a great deal of years
     
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    On a technical point 'Geschwaderkommodore' was not a rank but a position. Wick's rank was Major, relatively lowly for a Kommodore.

    Certainly before the war a Geschwaderkommodore would hold a higher rank, Oberstleutnant or more usually Oberst, equivalent to an RAF Wing Commander or Group Captain (US Lieutenant Colonel or Colonel). A Luftwaffe Major was equivalent to an RAF Squadron Leader (US Major).

    Cheers

    Steve
     
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    Good stuff, some markings I've never seen before.


    Geo
     
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    there are a number of variations George, more than shown above.
     
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