WWI Fokker Monoplanes

[_PabloSniper_]

Hello everyone!
Like the vast majority here, I am passionate about aviation, especially fighter aviation.
And while looking at some books, I came across some interesting Fokker projects.
Unfortunately, I didn't find much content about them.

This Fokker V25 for example.
It looks like a Fokker DVIII with a low wing.
I would say that the Polikarpov I-16 has some inspiration from this model.

But what I found most interesting was this V-23 model, which looks like a Fokker DVII with a mid-wing.

The V-29 with parasol wing which was basically a DVIII with DVII engine.

If anyone has more information about them, such as speed, maneuverability and can share, it would be interesting.

 

[SaparotRob]

These are all new to me. Pretty neat airplanes!

 

[_PabloSniper_]

These are all new to me. Pretty neat airplanes!

And there's more, I almost forgot about the V.17, which looks like a DR.1 with just a medium wing.

But back to the low-wing V.25.
It's amazing how much it reminds me of an I-16

 

[MikeMeech]

Hello everyone!
Like the vast majority here, I am passionate about aviation, especially fighter aviation.
And while looking at some books, I came across some interesting Fokker projects.
Unfortunately, I didn't find much content about them.


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This Fokker V25 for example.
It looks like a Fokker DVIII with a low wing.
I would say that the Polikarpov I-16 has some inspiration from this model.

But what I found most interesting was this V-23 model, which looks like a Fokker DVII with a mid-wing.

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The V-29 with parasol wing which was basically a DVIII with DVII engine.
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If anyone has more information about them, such as speed, maneuverability and can share, it would be interesting.

Hi
I presume you would have consulted 'Fokker: The Creative Years' by A R Weyl, Putnam 1965, reprinted 1987. Chapter XIV 'The Flying Razor' covers these prototype monoplanes.

Mike

 

[_PabloSniper_]

Hi
I presume you would have consulted 'Fokker: The Creative Years' by A R Weyl, Putnam 1965, reprinted 1987. Chapter XIV 'The Flying Razor' covers these prototype monoplanes.

Mike

Hi Mike

I found this content in this book.

 

[Gnomey]

Good stuff!

 

[tyrodtom]

I've got Fokker of WW1, vol 5, it's got lots of pictures and drawings of all those late WW1 Fokker experimental aircraft.

The performance figures are all similar, I don't think they had a good accurate way to quantify performance, that's why they had the various fighter competitions at Adlershof.
They compared the fighters with each other, let well know aces fly them to get feedback.
The V-17 was at the first fighter competition ( Jan. 1918) and was judged the fastest there, even though it only had the 110hp rotary, Also exceptionally maneuverable and excellent climb rate.
But It's midwing configuration blocked downward vision, and higher officials, and many pilots didn't trust the strength of monoplanes.
Fokker had 9 prototypes at that competition, Pfalz 5, and other aircraft builders had protypes there too.
Fokkers V-11 was the chosen winner, later developed into the Fokker DVII.

 

[tyrodtom]

Most aircraft altimeters and air speed indicators of that era were not very accurate, but you could test different aircraft near each other and easily see which was fastest, best climber, or most maneuverable, they just couldn't put an accurate quantity on each parameter.

 

[Admiral Beez]

I find it interesting that in the eighty-four year history of Fokker they made only one single engined aircraft that was equipped with retractable undercarriage. This was the post-ww2 Fokker F.25.

Fokker F.25 Promotor (English version)

After the 2nd World War, a four-seater business jet was developed on behalf of Frits Diepen. Unfortunately it was not a success and none were sold.

www.fokker-history.com

Did the firm just think that single engined aircraft should always have fixed undercarriages?

 

[Snautzer01]

I find it interesting that in the eighty-four year history of Fokker they made only one single engined aircraft that was equipped with retractable undercarriage. This was the post-ww2 Fokker F.25.

Fokker F.25 Promotor (English version)

After the 2nd World War, a four-seater business jet was developed on behalf of Frits Diepen. Unfortunately it was not a success and none were sold.

www.fokker-history.com

Did the firm just think that single engined aircraft should always have fixed undercarriages?

A polite ahum...Fokker S.14 Machtrainer

 

[special ed]

In fact, the main L/G of the F.25 reminded me of the S.14 L/G.

 

[Snautzer01]

In fact, the main L/G of the F.25 reminded me of the S.14 L/G.

So you are a leg guy arent you?

 

[special ed]

I like it all.

 

[Admiral Beez]

A polite ahum...Fokker S.14 Machtrainer

I missed that one. But it's remarkable that the firm (in all its iterations) never saw the need to put the wheels away on anything with a single engine until these two postwar examples. By 1933-35 the Grumman FF (and derivatives), Polikarpov I-16, Morane-Saulnier MS 406, and prototype Bristol Type 133 were single engined aircraft flying with retractable undercarriage. But never a Fokker? Well, there was one.

But what of the Koolhoven F.K.58, is this a Fokker by another name?

 

[Snautzer01]

I missed that one. But it's remarkable that the firm (in all its iterations) never saw the need to put the wheels away on anything with a single engine until these two postwar examples. By 1933-35 the Grumman FF (and derivatives), Polikarpov I-16, Morane-Saulnier MS 406, and prototype Bristol Type 133 were single engined aircraft flying with retractable undercarriage. But never a Fokker? Well, there was one.

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But what of the Koolhoven F.K.58, is this a Fokker by another name?

That is a finish made gear. Nothing to do with good ole Anthony.

Frits Koolhoven was a different designer. Nothing to do with Fokker all be it that when the factory went bankrupt the workers were integrated in the Fokker company