wheelsup_cavu
1st Sergeant
They have a name of the sender and in the video at 2:40 it shows that 2 messages were sent of it so maybe the other message made it?
Wheels
Wheels
WWII carrier pigeon message discovered in Surrey chimney
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fubar57
General
Interesting story guys! Thanks for sharing.
"The experts believe there are two ways the message might have been coded.
One is with a so-called one-time pad where a random "key" is applied to a message. If the key is truly random and known only to sender and recipient, the code can be unbreakable"
I refer the honourable gentlemen to my earlier post. If this was the method used to encrypt this message then encrypted it will remain.
Steve
One is with a so-called one-time pad where a random "key" is applied to a message. If the key is truly random and known only to sender and recipient, the code can be unbreakable"
I refer the honourable gentlemen to my earlier post. If this was the method used to encrypt this message then encrypted it will remain.
Steve
Your right Hugh, interesting, sure enough!
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
I agree!
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
As both Steve and I mentioned in our earlier posts, if a 'one time' pad was used, that message is likely to stay encrypted for ever. Looking at the photo of the message form, and the letter groups, it is a 'one time' pad message, so not a lot of chance methinks !
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
I agree with Steve. The use of a 'super computer' might provide a legible message decrypt, but it would be highly doubtful if this was the original message.
Crimea_River
Marshal
fubar57
General
Beat me to it Andy. Cracked or just someone making it up? Hoping for cracked.
Geo
Geo
Crimea_River
Marshal
I guess we won't know until the experts analyze the results. It will be tough for them to admit they were foiled by an amateur if that's indeed the case.
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
I might be wrong, but I doubt the message is as shown in the apparent decrypt.
First, the codes alluded to, from WW1, were long out of use. Two, ranks and names would not be stated in a coded message of this nature. Three, the dates, apparent locations and the content of the message don't seem to make logical 'sense' - it's very doubtful that tactical info of this nature would be sent by carrier pigeon, on what appears to be a battlefront, in Normandy, post D-Day, especially when a serving NCO, if in such a forward position, would more likely use radio transmission.
If I'm wrong, then congratulations to the chap concerned - but the use of the 'One Time Pad', and the requirement to have the correct duplicate pad in order to decode the message, points to it being extremely unlikely, as hinted at by the specialists at GCHQ.
First, the codes alluded to, from WW1, were long out of use. Two, ranks and names would not be stated in a coded message of this nature. Three, the dates, apparent locations and the content of the message don't seem to make logical 'sense' - it's very doubtful that tactical info of this nature would be sent by carrier pigeon, on what appears to be a battlefront, in Normandy, post D-Day, especially when a serving NCO, if in such a forward position, would more likely use radio transmission.
If I'm wrong, then congratulations to the chap concerned - but the use of the 'One Time Pad', and the requirement to have the correct duplicate pad in order to decode the message, points to it being extremely unlikely, as hinted at by the specialists at GCHQ.
meatloaf109
1st Lieutenant
I'm with you, a "One time pad" is just that. Even if this guy comes up with words, the odds are, it won't make sense. It would have to be relevent to a set situation, as in, a cookie recipe would be readable, but wrong.
N4521U
Colonel
It was a cookie recipe?????
Prob for Anzac biscuits!
Prob for Anzac biscuits!
N4521U
Colonel
It was a cookie recipe?????
Prob for Anzac biscuits!
Prob for Anzac biscuits!
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
Maybe it was solving the puzzle as to what was the difference between 'Biscuits, Sweet, A' and 'Biscuits, Plain, B', found in British 24 Hour ration packs. If he's solved that mystery, he's brilliant !!
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
Would it not stink if it was a message from a squad of soldiers needing help, and they are still waiting????
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
It would indeed David, but this type of code, and the 'One Time' pad were not normally used by line troops. It was a system employed by the covert services, such as SOE and OSS, where messages, using the pad, could be transmitted in Morse, or, as a last resort, as a back-up, by carrier pigeon. Think 'secret agent' and 'French resistance', for example.
The message could have been a report on troop movements, for example, or even just a routine situation report.
The message could have been a report on troop movements, for example, or even just a routine situation report.
