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Regarding the Zeke/Zero testing referenced above, were the test pilots also probably aware that this was a finite resource that they did not want to push too hard lest they lose it? I always speculated that these EA were not pushed to the edge so as to preserve them for continued testing and not cause irreparable damage ergo cancel further testing.
As GregP points out, that particular test is at a lower RPM and MAP than the SAKAI seems capable of.
That was a classy airplane.You could include the "Rufe" A6M float-plane as well.
You must have been posting this just before my comment about General Arnold.I'm not quoting Caidin but from what I've read, Arnold was mightily P.O.'d and hauled the guy in charge, Captain Frank T. McCoy in for a severe keester kickin' and the name was quickly changed
Hello jmcalli2,
Actually that helps a lot.
Note that the P-39D In this particular test was only able to achieve 358 MPH @ 13,000 feet.
The aircraft was not carrying a belly tank or any of the mounting hardware in that particular test configuration.
It was making about 20 HP more than nominal and at the typical critical altitude for the early model P-39.
The only way this is 40 MPH faster than the A6M2 is if the A6M2 is puttering along at cruise power +50 mm Boost 2350 RPM (275 Knots).
- Ivan.
An interesting thing is the variation in performance from one aircraft to another. it could be due to many things; better/worse tune on the engines, length of time for the speed run, etc.Hello jmcalli2,
Actually that helps a lot.
Note that the P-39D In this particular test was only able to achieve 358 MPH @ 13,000 feet.
The aircraft was not carrying a belly tank or any of the mounting hardware in that particular test configuration.
It was making about 20 HP more than nominal and at the typical critical altitude for the early model P-39.
The only way this is 40 MPH faster than the A6M2 is if the A6M2 is puttering along at cruise power +50 mm Boost 2350 RPM (275 Knots).
- Ivan.
Their own pilots were known to call it a zero as well: reisen or rei-sen.As long as we're on the subject, in World War 2, was the A6M more popularly known as the Zeke or the Zero?
Was listing the planes that couldn't cruise at 30000' in 1942.Interesting that you omit aircraft that were around in 1941/42 that could fly and fight at 30,000ft and above. Such as the Bf 109 and Spitfire.
Seems to me you're cherry picking your test results.
The fastest P-39 was the N, clocked at 398.5.
The fastest A6M couldn't hit 360, even the versions with increased HP.
And the A6M had a very hard time maneuvering above 300; those big ailerons were very hard to move.
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Also recommended is this December 1942 comparison report between the A6M-2 and various US aircraft including the P-39D: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/japan/intelsum85-dec42.pdf
I knew about the reporting names but I was wondering what name the A6M (any variant) was most popularly known by. BTW, the A6M3 reporting name was changed to Hamp because General "Hap" Arnold said so. At least that's the "Caidin" version.
Seems to me you're cherry picking your test results.
The fastest P-39 was the N, clocked at 398.5. A graph in wwiiaircraftperformance shows a P-39Q-30 without wing guns at 410mph at 10000' and 400mph at 16000'.
The fastest A6M couldn't hit 360, even the versions with increased HP.
And the A6M had a very hard time maneuvering above 300; those big ailerons were very hard to move.
The problem the P-39 had in the PTO was in large part due to the USAAC being at the bottom of the learning curve in tactics and maintenance while the Japanese were experienced in both. Agree, they had experience in China.
The Japanese had their logistics worked out, the USAAC did not. True, AAF had a hard time maintaining their planes. They got better, but it was rough in 1942.
The P-39s were often sent up to intercept Japanese bombers flying at 20,000 ft. It would take 6-8 minutes for a P-39 to reach them, by which time the bombers would be gone. Meanwhile, the climbing P-39s would be bounced by A6Ms.
Try reading P-39/P-400 vs A6M3 Zero New Guinea 1942 by Michael John Claringbould. It has some good combat accounts, some of which will say the P-39 and A6M were close in speed, some were the P-39 was faster, likely due to acceleration being close for the two aircraft. But the main reason to read the book is the in-depth look at combat records; the P-39 and A6M were even in the win-loss stats. That surprised me. Especially with pilot quality, the Japanese were experienced carrier pilots, the Americans just out of flying school. Some didn't even have any fighter training. Smart kids, they learned fast.
As for the A6M having a service ceiling of 35-38,000 ft, that didn't mean that it fought at that height. Right, service ceiling was largely a test number achieved under test conditions.
Service ceiling means the rate of climb is 100 feet/minute. Better measure is combat ceiling where it would no longer climb at 1000fpm. Hard to climb at less than 1000fpm in combat.
A6M performance fell off at 20-22,000 ft, like the P-39's did at 18,000 ft. That 2-4,000 ft made a difference. With a little less weight (300lbs or so) P-39 would climb with a Zero.
Also recommended is this December 1942 comparison report between the A6M-2 and various US aircraft including the P-39D: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/japan/intelsum85-dec42.pdf
Does anyone know for sure?
Hey guys,
re:"(rei sen = Zero sen)"
With the understanding that I do not speak or read Japanese, I thought that the meaning of the words "rei sen" was literally "model new" or maybe "type new", with "rei" = type or model and "sen" = new. In spoken English it would be "new model" or "new type". Maybe the word "sen" can also mean 0 in Japanese usage? Does anyone know for sure?