13's....

[Erich]

they have at least one sheet of 11/14th staffel and 10th staffel Sturmbocks- 4 on a page, the camo is all over grey but the white fuselage band is pronounced plus the ~ marking over the band - can't miss em

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[Erich]

yes the second one and here is the pic. Gerths Black 13 later had the outboard 2cm removed and replaced by 3cm Mk 108's and a newer up to date paint job, most likely this thing was shot down later or junked due to over-commitment in battle

 

[Lucky13]

Great pic Erich, thanks a bunch! Makes you wonder though, where on earth did they get the red from? Back to Bartels, G-10, would the "13" look more like this one then, Uffz. Klaus Lambio, in styling you think?

 

[Njaco]

Gerth? I would have said some color-blind SOB was trying to do Bar's 'Red 13" and got alittle confused?

 

[Lucky13]

Got the decals today for two more "13's". The "Yellow 13" from 15./JG53 as the info tells on the EagleCals sheet, 10th March '45, Koblenz, Germany, W. Nr. Unknown and Pilot Unknown.

Among these were this set.... As you can see Dan, it has been done in 1/48 of the machine that you like of Bartels, 48-383, different style on the numerals though, questions is, those oddly shaped round ones, are they correct? If you want to do her in 32 scale I'd guess that the number would 32-383, right fellas?

Now, is this the same 109F-4 that he flew with JG5 in Petsamo in Finland as the other two F-4's that we've seen here with W. Nr. 13169?

The funny thing is though, that this Aeromaster sheet comes without the decals so you don't get the white border around the "13". Doesn't matter, if we can figure out what style this F-4 had, I'll just get the FCM numerals etc. to do this one, IF these three are all the same "13169"....

 

[Lucky13]

Just had a close look at the Aeromaster decalsheet... The "13" does have a white outline, but a very thin one....alot thinner than the sheet shows! They also show the camouflage as to be in RLM 70/74/75 and 76, with the yellow cowling, but the lower yellow wingtips as being unconfirmed....

 

[Lucky13]

Found a list over accidents etc. in Norway and Finland during the war... It shows that a Bf 109F-4 with W. Nr. 13169, from III./JG5, on the 21st March '43 had engine trouble, crashed at Petsamo Airfield with 25% damaged to the aircraft but pilot was uninjured....

Any chance that this might have been Bartels?

 

[Njaco]

You mean this?
Luftwaffes havarier og flyuhell i Norge og Nord-Finland 01

I thought he crashed in Dec but I could be wrong.

 

[Airframes]

Perhaps a question for Guttorm?

 

[Njaco]

Got the year wrong. He crashed and was killed in the Ardennes in Dec. 1944! Ugghh!

 

[Lucky13]

Makes me wonder about his crash in '44. When they found his Bf 109G-10 in '68, almost all write that they found his preserved parachute in the aircraft, nothing about a body. Did they just find the parachute and not his body in the '109, is he still MIA?

No Date Time A/c Type Unit Location
1. 19.8.1941 - Spitfire Erg./JG 26
2. 27.8.1941 - Spitfire Erg./JG 26
? 24.1.1942 - 8./JG 5 MiG-3
? 5.11.1942 1055 8./JG 5 LaGG-3 36 Ost/2928
3. - 49. 1942 - 47 victories 8./JG 5 21 victories in September 1942
50. 1.10.1943 - Boston 11./JG 27 NW Kos
51. 1.10.1943 - Boston 11./JG 27 NW Kos
52. 5.10.1943 12:23 B-24 11./JG 27 Márikon
53. 5.10.1943 12:33 B-24 11./JG 27 Petrálona
54. 8.10.1943 13:15 P-38 11./JG 27 20km S Leváhdia
55. 8.10.1943 13:52 P-38 11./JG 27 1km SW Kap Vourlas
56. 8.10.1943 13:55 P-38 11./JG 27 5km W Kap Velanida
57. 23.10.1943 13:11 Spitfire 11./JG 27 SSW Podgorica
58. 25.10.1943 13:17 Whitley 11./JG 27 S Bar
59. 25.10.1943 13:20 P-38 11./JG 27 S Bar
60. 25.10.1943 13:22 P-38 11./JG 27 S Bar
61. 25.10.1943 - P-38 11./JG 27 N Kap Rodonit
62. 31.10.1943 15:15 P-38 11./JG 27 Kap Rodonit
63. 31.10.1943 15:20 P-38 11./JG 27 SW Kap Rodonit
64. 2.11.1943 13:47 Spitfire 11./JG 27 WSW Skutari
65. 2.11.1943 - Spitfire 11./JG 27 WSW Skutari
66. 4.11.1943 16:25 Boston 11./JG 27 W Durazzo
67. 15.11.1943 13:10 P-38 11./JG 27 SE Kalamaki
68. 15.11.1943 13:10 P-38 11./JG 27 SE Kalamaki
69. 15.11.1943 13:11 P-38 11./JG 27 SE Kalamaki
70. 15.11.1943 13:12 P-38 11./JG 27 SE Kalamaki
71. 17.11.1943 12:50 B-25 11./JG 27 NE Kalamaki
72. 17.11.1943 12:52 B-25 11./JG 27 NE Kalamaki
73. 17.11.1943 12:58 P-38 11./JG 27 E Marathon
74. 11.4.1944 16:32 P-38 11./JG 27 20 km NW Graz
75. 23.4.1944 8:20 Spitfire 11./JG 27 10 km SW Cilli
76. 23.4.1944 8:22 Spitfire 11./JG 27 15 km SW Cilli
77. 23.4.1944 8:23 Spitfire 11./JG 27 20 km SW Cilli
78. 24.4.1944 13:45 P-51 11./JG 27 10 km W Mühldorf
79. 24.4.1944 13:47 P-51 11./JG 27 10 km W Mühldorf
80. 24.4.1944 - P-51 11./JG 27 N Waldkraiburg
81. 28.4.1944 10:38 P-51 11./JG 27 15 km NE Laibach
82. 28.4.1944 10:39 P-51 11./JG 27 15 km NE Laibach
83. 19.5.1944 13:25 P-47 11./JG 27 15 km SW Quenstedt
84. 19.5.1944 13:27 P-47 11./JG 27 Quedlinburg
85. 19.5.1944 13:30 P-51 11./JG 27 S Aschersleben
86. 14.6.1944 7:28 P-47 11./JG 27 Argentan
87. 14.6.1944 7:29 P-47 11./JG 27 Falaise
88. 14.6.1944 7:30 P-47 11./JG 27 Argentan
89. 14.6.1944 8:05 P-47 11./JG 27 15 km SW Paris
90. 16.6.1944 20:47 P-47 11./JG 27 W Dives-sur-Mer
91. 16.6.1944 20:48 P-47 11./JG 27 Dives-sur-Mer
92. 22.6.1944 14:10 Spitfire 11./JG 27 WSW Caen
93. 22.6.1944 14:17 P-51 11./JG 27 10 km SW Caen
94. 24.6.1944 15:05 P-51 11./JG 27 S Flers
95. 24.6.1944 15:08 P-51 11./JG 27 10 km SW Flers
96. 25.6.1944 9:05 P-38 11./JG 27 15 km SE Blois
97. 8.12.1944 9:50 P-51 15./JG 27 NW Achmer
98. 18.12.1944 13:48 P-51 15./JG 27 Eifelraum
99. 23.12.1944 - P-47 15./JG 27 near Bad Godesberg

 

[Erich]

Lucky they removed Bartels from that beat up crushed 109G-10 and they buried him. he had his parachute fastened to him obviously he felt the sting of .50's from the P-47 Jug chasing him after he dispatched on eht US pilots - P-47

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[Lucky13]

Thanks Erich...appreciated!

 

[fly boy]

i think there might be some b-17 triple 13 i'll check

 

[Wayne Little]

Style of Bartels Black 13 W.Nr 13169!

 

[Lucky13]

Odd, wouldn't you say old chap?

 

[Wayne Little]

Odd, wouldn't you say old chap?

hit the wrong button....

 

[Lucky13]

Been on the drink old boy? Great shot!

 

[Lucky13]

Then the "Black 13" decals are correct for his JG5 109F-4 Wk. Nr. 13169? Hopefully I'll be able to find out more about his G-10 as well, "Yellow 13". Tell me, was his G-6 Trop Wk. Nr. 27169 the last one he flew before he swapped to his G-10 Wk.Nr.130359?

 

[Lucky13]

Some "13" profiles....8) All by Claes Sundin!