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This book might offer a glimpse about that.
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This book might offer a glimpse about that.From memory (old Lufhart magazines maybe) there was a project of a fighter (or at least a study of the cross-section of the fuselage, the accommodation of the pilot in relation to the engine) with a DB 606 engine, maybe that would be our answer to at least heavy fighter 2nd generation.
Thanks for hint, Dan Sharp books are excellent and informative.This book might offer a glimpse about that.
Were you thinking He.119?Thanks for hint, Dan Sharp books are excellent and informative.
What I'm mentioning, from memory, is not even a project, but just a couple of sketches of the pilot and the DB606 in view and side view. As soon as I find the picture I will send it.
My take on solution:
1st generation:
1934: Bf.109 as SR fighter.
1935: Instead of Bf.110, Bf.109Z (Twin Ju.210, 8 - MG17s <2 in wing outer panels, 2 in each cowl, one in center wing and one rear>. Proof of concept using 4 x Bf.109B main landing gear; production will move to just 2 main gear. As the outer wings no longer house landing gear, use the space for fuel. The "B team" cuts their teeth on this design.
"A Team" focuses on Bf.162 (think Me.210 but with original twin tail/without remote control rear armament). As this is pre-war, there is time for testing and correcting fuselage length if they get it wrong.
Between Zwilling and Bf. 162, you have heavy fighter LR fighter, LR recon, fighter bomber, 'normal' bomber.
Fw.187 never happens because there is nothing it can do that Bf.109Z can't.
2nd generation:
1942: SR fighter is turned over to Fw.190
Bf.109Z is aerodynamically cleaned up (think Bf.109F) Power plant to 601F, then 605. Armament moves to 5-MG17s/3- MGFF then to 5 - MG151/20, 4 - MG 131 and MG81.
3rd generation:
Me.262
Ar.234
I'm still working on the bombers; really need an 18 cylinder radial...
Were you thinking He.119?
No. There are topics about the He 119 (and the RT project) for the bomber variant. What I am referring to is a short article. In the accompanying text, I'm almost sure that the word Jäger was mentioned and it was not a sketch of the whole plane, but only how to place the engine in relation to the pilot (conventionally in front, behind as in the P-39, etc.).I was thinking the same.
Might be a better use of Jumo 211s than the He 111 was.Could anything be done with the DB 601 or JU 211 powered Do 217c? Drop the dive bombing requirement, reduce the crew to 3, drop the heavy forward firing guns, with the lower weight it should improve the max and cruising speed and still be able to carry 4000lbs of bombs internally. When the better engines become available ad them. It still will not cruise and much more than 300mph with the available engines.
Probably not.Could anything be done with the DB 601 or JU 211 powered Do 217c? Drop the dive bombing requirement, reduce the crew to 3, drop the heavy forward firing guns, with the lower weight it should improve the max and cruising speed and still be able to carry 4000lbs of bombs internally. When the better engines become available ad them. It still will not cruise and much more than 300mph with the available engines.
I don't know if you could remove the slots from the wings and vertical tail surfaces to clean up the aerodynamics or what effect that would have on the handling. I think it could have been a useful A/C in the 1941-43 time frame. The Lighter airframe should also help the fragile main landing gear survive.
Not 4, but 8 250 kg bombs inside the He 111.You need the Do 217 to replace the He 111 as the He 111 was the only longish range bomber that could hold even four 550lbs inside while they played around with the He 177.
Timing, Since they could not fit bigger than the 250kg bombs inside they often fitted a plate over one of the bomb bays and fitted a rack for a large caliber bomb while keeping the four 250kg bombs. It might have varied as to how easy it was to take the plate/rack off. Some He 111s got a big plate that covered both bays and held up to 5 (?) bombs outside.Not 4, but 8 250 kg bombs inside the He 111.
I was simply disagreeing with your notion that He 111 was able to carry just 4x 550lb bombs for LR missions. 1885 km range with 8x 550lb bombs.Timing, Since they could not fit bigger than the 250kg bombs inside they often fitted a plate over one of the bomb bays and fitted a rack for a large caliber bomb while keeping the four 250kg bombs. It might have varied as to how easy it was to take the plate/rack off. Some He 111s got a big plate that covered both bays and held up to 5 (?) bombs outside.
Basically the whole 2nd generation German bomber program was a fiasco. Counting the Do 217 as a 1 1/2 generation
Too tricky by far.
Unproven new engines.
Too many innovations.
Could Heinkel have improved the He 111?
DB 605 or later Ju 211, tidied up airframe, better bomb bay and defensive positions.
Not much of a disagreement.I was simply disagreeing with your notion that He 111 was able to carry just 4x 550lb bombs for LR missions. 1885 km range with 8x 550lb bombs.
As Tomo has said, it may take too much work.Could Heinkel have improved the He 111?
DB 605 or later Ju 211, tidied up airframe, better bomb bay and defensive positions.
Could use the remote turrets from the Me 210 (which we will then turn into a 2 seat fighter without defensive guns and bomb bay), allowing the crew to stay in forward compartment.
It will require a major surgery for the He 111 to be sufficiently improved. Wing was low-set, that usually messes up with the bomb bay size. A high-wing He 111 version, or at least mid-wing? Wing itself was too big & thick for the engines available, even when we include the BMW 801 (He 111 was powered by better 211s, if not on a very fast pace). Loosing a better part of the wing inner section reduces wing area and the resulting drag (like it was done when Tempest was becoming (Sea) Fury, and possibly when Battle was becoming P.4/34?).
Ju 288 was a whole new aircraft when compared with Ju 88I worded it badly.
I was thinking of a new version of the He 111, a new, or mostly new, design.
Sort of like the relationship between the Ju 288 and Ju 88. Call it a He 211.
Ju 288 was a whole new aircraft when compared with Ju 88
Okay, He 211, that is a major redesign of the He 111: wing looses the inner section thus reducing it's span and area (to about 600 sq ft) as well as drag and lift; fuselage has the wing attachment points in mid-wing position now, engines are probably the BMW 801. Bomb bay set for carrying 4x 500 kg bombs, or 2x 1000 kg bombs, or, with doors removed, one 1800-2500 kg bomb. Barbettes from the Me 210 are used instead of the draggy defensive positions.